Ok...this pisses me off!

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  1. snal

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    Government is seriously out of control. All levels, from dog catcher to president, not a damn one of them has any sense.
     
  3. jlpskydive

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    Well we should...... Shit, I don't know what we should..... except help him fight.
     
  4. snal

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    As far as I know, if there's no electricity, and no plumbing, there are no "codes" and no building permit required (assuming there are no restrictions on the property either)...so it sounds like being "open to the public" is what is causing the trouble.
    Idunno.
     
  5. jrgreen

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    This is stupid. probably some new supervisor with authoriti' issues. What next, handicapped priviys'?
     
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    It's a shame. They need to leave that man alone. It's not anyone's business what he does on HIS property.
     
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    Wow. I wonder if he could fight within the system's rules. Instead of running a school he could allow for visitors. The visitors could be encouraged to leave a donation instead of paying for the school.

    It goes without saying that I am sickened by his predicament. But once again, this is an example of the difference between safety and freedom. If you want everyone to be safe then no one can be truly free.
     
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    I wanna go visit that place.. learn a thing or two..
     
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    He was on a show last year on Discovery or History Channel I think called Mountain Men. They had him, a guy from the Montanna, and a guy from Alaska. He certainly marches to the beat of his own drum, which I'm fine with. They should leave him the hell alone.

    He rode his horse into Boone to the courthouse to try and save his property. He didn't pay the taxes so they were going to put a lien on his property.
     
  10. 11B3XCIB

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    He's like a living Fox Fire book. I hope he keeps his peaceful retreat.
     
  11. snal

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    Me too!...and maybe stay :)
     
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    There are other videos about his place and how he started it built it. Not the discovery channel stuff, but some vids nc pbs did I believe. If you think you want to help him fight now, watch the honest hardworking effort he has put into his own little piece of freedom, well it was his own little piece of freedom.

    I actually met him once,briefly, long ago it seams now, He was brown headed then - he's gotten old it appears and has mellowed some, evidenced by the fact he drove a truck to the courthouse, I bout fell out when I saw that. It is not cliche to say about him that he was one of the most down to earth people I have ever met.

    He is a man along the same line as Dick Proenneke, if you don't know who he was - look him up. They need to leave him alone and allow at least one citizen in this country to live as free man, but we all know that the government can't allow that...

    It's things like this that make me question sometimes whether or not we still live "in the land of the free".
     
  13. Butter

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    Thats what I was thinking. The county is probably pissed cause they arent getting some kind of tax money or inspection fees off him
     
  14. J.Boyette

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    Well he is local we can help him and put the screws to the local government. Members here on CSC live in the same county and can help if they want too.

    Just saying.

    One other point, what if all the locals quit paying local taxes until his charges are dropped? What could they do then if ALL locals in the county, or just most stop supporting him. Once they back down then pay.

    Its a simple idea.

    John
     
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    Id love to know how to help this guy out. This really pissed me off.
     
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    This is actually a fairly common problem. I knew a guy that built his own place with a green septic system, but he was still required to put in a standard septic system, even though it was never used. Common sense doesn't apply. I've had my own run ins with code enforcement. Bottom line is that there are so many rules and regulations, almost no one can withstand real scrutiny.
    We need to get laws changed to allow for special exceptions so that those of us that want to live a little outside the norms, can.
     
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    He's fighting a losing battle. I think (from watching the TV show) he is charging those people that are there to learn. If so, there's no chance he will be allowed to reopen his operation in the condition it looked to be in.
     
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    It's not just that. He's got a hell of an expensive spread out there. Land like that is high dollar. Even being taxed as a farmer if I recall he hasn't paid any property tax in like 20 years. Come on man. I don't like tax either but if you're going to run a business you have to pay. If he was just living there they'd wait for him to die and auction the place for his debts. But the way he runs it they're going to put him on the street, and auction the place to pay his debts.

    I watched the discovery show and to me he acted like since he lives better and treats the land (in his mind) better he doesn't owe the taxes his neighbor does. He's sitting on a multi million dollar property.
     
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    There are several ways to look at this, and I'm in agreement with snal. Open to the public is the main fly in the ointment, but that only provides an excuse. There's more to it. Much more.

    On the tax question...

    Property taxes and the blind acceptance of same are offered as proof that everything is ultimately owned by the state, and essentially all we do is pay rent to the state in order to live there. We've been gradually...quietly...and willingly indoctrinated into socialism. There was a time not so long ago that a man could do pretty much as he pleased with his own property. Now...there is really no such thing as our "own property." If you believe that you own a piece of land and the house that you built with your two hands with your money...try not paying the rent...er, the taxes on it for a few years.

    My maternal grandparents lived in a house on top of Wise Mountain in southwestern Virginia. There was no indoor plumbing. Water was drawn from a well. Cooking was done on a woodstove. Heat was provided by a pot-bellied stove in the central room. I've spent many a night there watching snow come into the house, and many times, I chopped kindling for the kitchen and coal in an old coal scuttle to stoke the fire and warm the house up. In the winter, a skin of ice would form on any water left in a wash basin...and "slop jars" were in the bedrooms so that nature's call could be answered without having to make a trip to the outhouse down a path, 50 feet from the back porch.

    Several neighbors didn't even have electricity. Light was provided by kerosene lanterns. Grandpap's house was wired by his grandson and a group of friends who lived at the foot of the mountain in Coeburn and Norton...in 1964.

    I'd be willing to bet serious money that a modern-day county inspector would have condemned it and forced my grandparents into "modern" housing...even if it meant a state-run facility on the taxpayer's dime.

    My paternal grandparents lived in a similar situation in Harlan, Kentucky. Only when they moved to Kingsport, Tennessee in the early 60s did they have the modern conveniences of electricity and indoor plumbing. My grandfather never did quite get used to the idea of visiting the head inside the house. Said "It just don't seem right to me, takin' a dump 20 feet from the kitchen."

    This man represents rugged individualism, and that makes the collectivist government "Big Brother" nervous. If it catches on, there will be more like him...and Big Brother can't have that. Nosir.

    "You must conform and accept the collective, sir. We can't allow you to live on the fringes of this great society. Now, get in line and bleat like the rest of the sheep...and if you refuse...or if you lead any of the other sheep astray...you will suffer."
     
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    The best part is when the big government guy who looks like one of the humans in Wall-E comes out and is scared of the camera.

    I think Winchester's probably partly right. Someone wants the land now to build a ski resort or a Wal-Mart, so we'll use government to push this guy around. Happens all the time these days, I'm afraid, again because government is so big. I never did understand "property taxes" - the concept seems like the death of real land ownership to me. Yes, I pay my property taxes, but to me they're the most insidious type of tax, because it ultimately means you're only a property owner as long as you feed the troll under the bridge every year. Which means it's really the troll's house....
     

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