Constitutional Carry in SC

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  1. SCshooter57

    SCshooter57 Lifetime Member Lifetime Member

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    I received the email below today from Palmetto Gun Rights. I realize it's a solicitation for donations but the cause seems deserving of at least a couple of phone calls to our state reps apparently standing in the way of this legislation. I made the calls. Hope some of you will too.

    Dear *****,

    Constitutional Carry is being stonewalled here in South Carolina.

    We just received word that the Constitutional Carry bill (H. 3716) is currently being denied even a vote in the House Judiciary Committee.

    Constitutional Carry is the simple idea that no law-abiding citizen should have to beg the government for permission in order to carry a firearm.

    That’s right, no more statist licensing schemes or arbitrary government red tape standing in the way of you defending yourself and your family.

    Palmetto Gun Rights has been pushing for this monumental pro-gun reform -- but we need your help.

    Just this year, West Virginia and Idaho joined with Kansas, Maine, Arizona, Alaska, Vermont, and Wyoming in passing this solid pro-gun reform.

    If states like Maine can get it passed, there is absolutely no reason that South Carolina can’t be next.

    However, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Greg Delleney is currently blocking the Constitutional Carry bill from advancing here in South Carolina.

    Please reach out to Chairman Greg Delleney and demand that he take up H. 3716 for immediate consideration.

    House Judiciary Chairman Greg Delleney:
    (803) 734-3120

    If you have more time, please also call House Speaker Jay Lucas and encourage him to publically support Constitutional Carry and make it a legislative priority this year.

    House Speaker Jay Lucas:
    (803) 734-3125

    I know that Constitutional Carry has broad support from thousands of South Carolinians.

    So please don’t delay, time is of the essence.

    Call House Judiciary Chairman Greg Delleney and House Speaker Jay Lucas immediately, and demand that they publicly support Constitutional Carry.

    House Judiciary Chairman Greg Delleney:
    (803) 734-3120

    House Speaker Jay Lucas:
    (803) 734-3125

    PGR staff is currently working around the clock to keep you updated on the progress of this bill, so your support would mean the world to us.

    So when you’re done, please chip in $10 or $20 to help us bring more gun rights activists into the fight.

    Thanks in advance for your support, *****!

    Sincerely,

    Denise Snelling
    Chairman
    Palmetto Gun Rights


    P.S. The Constitutional Carry bill (H. 3716) is being stonewalled by House Judiciary Chairman Greg Delleney and Speaker of the House Jay Lucas!

    Call House Judiciary Chairman Greg Delleney and House Speaker Jay Lucas immediately, and demand that they publicly support Constitutional Carry and bring it to the floor for a vote right away.

    House Judiciary Chairman Greg Delleney:
    (803) 734-3120
    Speaker of the House Jay Lucas:(803) 734-3125
     
  2. Silver_Bullet

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    What's the word on this? It's been blocked every year. Bright says he will keep trying.

    Y'all have a good State Senator in Lee Bright, in the Republican liberty caucus. He keeps introducing constitutional carry, but law enforcement agencies and those so called pro 2a trainers making money off permits have been lobbying against it. Sad that even with GOP majority, It's hard to get traction in North or South Carolina for constitutional carry. Those supposed to defend rights, are supporting infringement of rights.
     
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  3. hagar

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    Personally I like it just the way it is, and it will be even better when we can carry legally in GA. Problem I see with carrying with no permit, too many people with little or no training will now jump on the bandwagon. Make people work for it a little. Secondly, police will no longer have the incentive to check people with a "suspicious" bulge in their clothes. Thirdly, it will embolden criminals not even allowed to own a gun, to carry, thinking that they will get lost in the shuffle.
     
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    Police can't randomly check you for a "suspicious bulge" without probable cause and none of the other issues cited are valid issues in the countless other states where constitutional carry is and has been law for quite some time. I guess South Carolinians are just dumber then the rest of the country and can't be trusted to own a firearm without the state mandated orientation class. Criminals aren't even part of the equation, they do what they want regardless of the law, that's what criminals do, no law is going to embolden them to be even more lawless. I get tired of the baseless rhetoric.
     
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  5. ikarus1

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    so much fail in this i dont know where to start

    1. so you like being a member of the privileged class. Youve been sold what was a right as a privilege
    Replace right to carry with freedom of speech and say those same words. It should taste like socialism afterwards.

    2. criminals dont obey laws.
     
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    Do you believe that people without a CWP do not carry now? Do you believe that people without a driver's license don't drive cars?
     
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    I think people should have to get a permit to stop police from searching their homes and cars whenever they want to. Make people work for it a little. I mean the problem with everyone having the right to be free from unwarranted searches and seizures is that criminals will take advantage of it and get lost in the shuffle.

    Who's with me? It is really simple to do. Pass the law and then anyone that wants to have a permit will have to take a class on the things they can't do. Then they will have to pass a criminal background check and wait 90 day. At that point (and assuming the sheriff doesn't have a grudge against them) they will get a permit. Then anytime the police pull them over they can present their permit letting the police know they can't search their car without a warrant.

    Then we can start making people get permits for all of their former rights. Each one has a fee attached too and I say we make it an increasing fee for each "privilege". That way only the truly elite can enjoy all of them.
     
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    No where in the US Constitution do I read or see it implied that training, the lack thereof, or a requirement to work for it is or should be a factor in our 2nd Amendment rights. Permitting systems are only taxation disguised as fees established to generate revenue for those lawmakers who crave control. They will fight tooth and nail to maintain this level of control.

    Constitutional Carry is the only legal directive we have as Americans and should be the standard across 50 states. Anything different impedes our ability to enjoy protection under the US Constitution. When one right is compromised, the others are being challenged as well, but strong-willed patriots are in small numbers these days.

    I'm sticking with "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".
     
  9. Silver_Bullet

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    Your accepting it as a privilege granted by those in power over the people, not the people's right that it is. You don't have to earn or work for a right. Your line of thinking is what leads to further infringement of rights.

    Furthermore more police have no business stopping someone with a bulge in their clothing unless they've basically seen them commit a crime. Your line of thinking is also harmful to our fourth amendment.

    Criminals carry guns now, allowing all law abiding people to carry a gun per their constitutional right to bear arms, will not change anything, as a criminal ignores all current laws anyway. Only the law abiding citizens are hindered by these unlawful restrictions of rights among the people.

    Many poorer people who live paycheck to paycheck are hindered by having to pay for what should be a right. Also some woman are intimidated from trying to get a permit, and go defenseless because of the hassle.

    Government has no business regulating rights. If you have to ask for permission, then it is no longer treated as a right. Your line of thinking is the true enemy that will further infringe our rights. It is people like you that can make gun control acceptable. It was people like you that opened the door to this infringement. You are more dangerous to our rights than a full blown anti gun Democrat. At least they don't pretend to be pro gun rights, thus are easier to politically fight when we know who the enemy is. Those of you pretending to be pro gun rights, but for infringement / gun control are the ones with influence for the anti's to use against the rest of us, taughting common sense as they campaign to restrict liberty. Sir restricting liberty, as you are for, is far from common sense. You're line of thinking and support of control over the people is what eventually leads to tyranny. Time to end all these Jim Crow era permits, that are intended to control classes and masses of people.

    You may want to rethink this, until then you are a hindrance to true liberty, and an enemy of the second amendment.
     
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  10. Silver_Bullet

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    All the states that have implemented constitutional carry, or concealed carry without a permit, have not experienced all this fear mongering hypotheticals that the NC and SC law enforcement lobbying organizations are using to keep power and control over what is a right.

    And I'm not talking about many of our good LEO's that risk life protecting the people, that would stand for our rights. I'm talking about the lobbying organizations like the NC Sheriffs Association that fights against gun rights every time we have pro gun bills, and the LEO's and any citizens that support them.
     
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  11. hagar

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    The right of the people my arse. When I moved here in 1984, there was almost no place in the US where you could carry legally as a private individual without having influential legal or political connections (or handling chitloads of money) . The only reason we got close to a national CCW system now, is because of the hard work put in to pass CCW laws on a state level. And it was a tough road, everybody was screaming there will be blood in the streets, bla bla bla. And only because of the law abiding behavior of CCW holders, did attitudes change. Now some may say it will be a step up to have permit less carry, I do not agree.
     
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    We get it. You support the 2nd.........but.

    Moved here from where? England?
     
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    I agree. Black people should have just stopped going for equal rights when they were freed from slavery. Pushing for the right to vote was just a slap in the face to all the nice white folks who supported them in the first place. After all, it was the works of all the free born black people that really made the abolish ionize get set into motion.

    Sorry...but no...you don't stop pushing for Liberty when your personal needs have been met. That is, by default, accepting a level of oppression for others as long as you are spared.


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