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Discussion in 'Carolinas 1911 Forum' started by laxdadoo, Dec 7, 2016.

  1. laxdadoo

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    yesterday while shooting my old crappy misfit 1911 it made a big boom. I don't know if it was a double charge or a compressed load. Left maple grip shattered right one cracked in a couple of spots. I looked all 10 fingers were there. Ok no blood everything moves. But the gun was locked up tight. Had to beat it with a brass hammer just to get it to the point I could get the slide stop out. It seems the barrel or more accurate the chamber expanded enough that it won't pass through the slide. Even if I cut the barrel it's expanded to the point it won't fit through the rails.

    Any suggestions?
     
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    Sounds like an excellent candidate for one of those gun buy back programs!
     
  3. Catfish

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    Can you tell if the barrel is split or if it's jammed up by debris in the works? Can you post any useful pics?
     
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    The barrel won't fit through the slide? I don't even know what that means? Do you mean that the barrel has expanded at the chamber and is too wide to be removed from the slide? Pics would help.
     
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    Pics would help... but I would likely guess that the chamber area swelled due to excessive pressure. Or there's possibly some kind of debris wedging the barrel into place. Likely there was some kind of case failure as well which vented the pressure downward, cracking the grips.

    I had an over-charged round in my Colt o-series Govt model once using AA#5/200gr LSWC reloads. There was extractor damage, blown out mag, a cracked grip and a cracked lower barrel lug, but my gun plumber was able to get the gun running again.

    What kind of load were you shooting?
     
  7. laxdadoo

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    Not a lot to see. Case on right was in the chamber. Blew the bottom of the case out set off the next round in the mag. Looks ok but chamber is enlarged notice no clearance between barrel and slide. Someone suggested a dremmel tool with a cutting wheel, take a piece out of the chamber and then collapse it. Think I will try it nothing to loose
     
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  8. laxdadoo

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    Load was 5.4 gr tightgroup over 180 gr semi wadcutter.
     
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    Buy another gun and retire this on to the "Look-at-THIS!" drawer.
     
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    Success, lost the front sight in the process
     
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    Barrels don't bulge from over pressure. They bulge from bore obstructions. The bulge isn't at the chamber. It's forward of the chamber. That's a clue.

    The case head blew out, which suggests over pressure...but not from a double charge.

    Without seeing the gun...a theory.

    I suspect a squib that lodged a bullet just forward of the leade. Squibs can cycle the slide, or...if you remember experiencing a misfire and hand-cycling it...that may be how it happened.

    When the next round chambered, the lodged bullet pushed the next one deep enough in the case to let the slide go to battery, if just barely...which created the high pressure when the round fired.

    I predict that when you get the barrel out, you'll find two bullets rammed nose to base with one swaged into the bulge. You can determine it by dropping a rod into the muzzle to see how far in it goes.
     
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    How is the slide to frame fit?
     
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    Sweet analysis!

    So...buy another gun and retire this on to the "Look-at-THIS!" drawer?

    ;)
     
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  15. laxdadoo

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    BT2
     
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    still as good as ever!

    NOW does anyone have a barrel and grips they want to sell. Nothing expensive beater gun
     
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    I have a threaded barrel just sitting here not being used. The reason I have it is because a buddy tried to use it for a suppressor the barrel was not long enough so the suppressor would hit the bushing before being seated. It has a nick in a lug and a couple other dings.

    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...h+Grade+1911+Government+Model+Threaded+Barrel

    Here is a picture of the actual barrel and dings. If you are interested, let me know.

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  18. laxdadoo

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    looks a little fancy for my old shooter, but nothing lost What do you want for it?
     
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    How about $10 to cover shipping, packaging, and a trip to the post office?
     
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  20. laxdadoo

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    Done PM me your address. Thanks
     
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    The barrel should be there Monday. Hopefully this one will work out better for you.
     
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    I must have missed it, but did the old barrel have a bullet lodged in it?
     
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    Thats a pretty hot load you're running there.
     
  24. laxdadoo

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    Thanks
     
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    Update. Got the new to me barrel from low country and installed it. Fit perfectly. Having the gun assembled I really began to look it over. I noticed the top of the disconnecter seemed worn. Pushing on the muzzle and pulling the trigger the hammer would fall. It seems what happened or at least what I can figure out is the gun fired out of battery. Causing the case to fail at the base setting off the next round in the magazine. This caused the grips to blow out. The pressure peaked at the back end of the chamber causing it to expand just enough to lock up the gun. Anyway that's my theory. I'm open to all others.
    At the range today it ran perfectly. Groups were a little big for me but it was cold out taped up parts of the grip, and being a little skeptical after it blew up in my hand. I went to change out the barrel bushing for something a little tighter an noticed my rear sight was missing.
    So now I will wait for Santa to bring me some grips, and a disconnector ( already have another rear sight) and try it again next week. Thanks for all the help
    Bernie
     
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    Bernie, how could the back of a case blow out when a round went off out of battery, without anything to obstruct the bullet?
    I think the blown case rim is the best evidence that Tuner's explanation is correct.
    Something (likely a squib from the previous round) obstructed the bullet, so it couldn't leave the chamber, resulting in the blown case at the rim.
    Your worn disconnector could have caused problems, but not a kaboom.

    Since you reload, a squib is the most likely culprit, at any rate.
     
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    It can't. The 1911 can't be fired by pulling the trigger far enough out of battery to blow up...obstruction or no obstruction...and it has nothing to do with the disconnect.

    At .100 inch out of battery, the slide and barrel are still mechanically connected and the breech isn't open. At that distance rearward, the hammer can't hit the firing pin because the hammer stem impacts the bottom of the firing pin stop.
     
  29. laxdadoo

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    I appreciate all feedback and I still don't know for sure what happened. I do know that prior to the "incident " I had just fired a magazine slide locked open I can account for every hole in the target, inserted a new mag dropped the slide pulled the trigger and BOOM!
     
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    What was in the barrel after the ka-boom?
     

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