School me on O/Us

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  1. Braveheart

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    I want to save up and get a nice shotgun for clay sports. But I'm in the dark. Is there any difference in the $600 vs the $2500 one? Where's the best place to go and see these in NC? Please don't say hyatts.

    It will only be used for clay (non competitive)and maybe a little bird hunting. I'd say my budget would be $2k max.
     
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    There is a shop in Wagram, I believe, that specialises in shotguns. My all time favorite O/U bird gun was a straight stock Citori with 26" barrels.
     
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    Beretta....... DONE
     
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    I forget the name of the shop but it's on South Blvd down towards 485. They have a fair assortment of OU's in all price ranges. I'm not saying to buy there (some of their prices remind you of Hyatt's) but to handle a bunch and see different brands and configurations.
    Personally I have all Browning's, 3 target guns and 4 hunting guns ranging from .410's to the mighty 12 gauge. The target guns are basically 12 gauges with tube sets for sub gauge sports. The hunting guns are either Upland Specials or Superlight's, all with straight stocks.
     
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    I asked the owner of a sporting clay range for his suggestions as of a gun to buy and he said " simple, just buy anything
    that fits you and starts with a B." My only requirement that it has automatic ejectors. I love popping out those shells...
     
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    That's Carolina Sporting Arms

    And I'll say it even though you don't want to hear it: Hyatt's.
    They have a huge inventory and will haggle.
     
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    Where does the Ruger Red Label fall on this spectrum?
     
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    I think the difference between a $600 O/U and a $2500 one will be:

    Ergonomics
    Smoothness of Action
    Smoothness of trigger
    Quality of wood furniture
    Fit and Finish

    They both go boom, one will do it with more style and enjoyment.
     
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    I really like the berettas that I have seen..... Is there any reason I should look at something besides 12 gauge? I have a couple of them so I already keep the shells lying around.

    Also most places mentioned were near Charlotte. I'll be in Wilmington in August so I'm open to hearing about other stores if there are any.
     
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    The shop in Wagram that I am thinking of may be Mid South Guns. That wouldn't be out of your way to stop on the way to or from Wilmington.
     
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    No offense intended but when I bought Laura her first OU she wanted to see the Browning Lighting as well as the Ruger Red Label. She picked up the Ruger first, opened it and then handed it back to the counter guy. She said, "I wanted to see new guns, not used one's".... She thought it was used because they are loose right out of the box. Obviously she wound up with the Browning.
    I know them to be good field grade guns that will probably shoot for several lifetimes, her not so much.
     
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    A 12 gauge is going to be heavier than the lesser gauges but on the positive side you can always get a sub gauge tube for it and shoot 20, 28 or 410. 20's can also be tubed to 28 or 410, but not the 28's, buy accordingly....
     
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    I have 2 O/U's - a Stoeger Condor and a Browning Crossover Target. The Stoeger is a $450 gun at most while the Browning is a $1600+/- gun. Hands down the Browning is leaps and bounds a better quality gun. The Stoeger has been relegated to being my bad weather gun when shooting either skeet or sporting clays. The above is true as to the primarily differences between a $600 and a $2500.

    Go visit:
    http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/

    There are many many discussions on your question. For what you are looking for, as others have suggested, the Beretta Silver Pigeon-I is hard to beat and within your budget. For me, the Beretta, which is primarily a field gun, but does quite well as a clay's gun, it just did not fit me well and that is key when looking at buying an O/U. The Browning fit me so well in addition to what I believe is the best value in the market for an O/U. You should give the Browning Crossover serious consideration. I absolutely love mine!!!!!! To me it's a perfect clays gun and has done well harvesting quite a few pheasant

    My suggestion is visit the above website (you'll see me on there as well - same name/avatar) and read all there is about the O/Us are interested in. Being that you are in Charlotte, you have a few good places that you can go fondle a few guns - Bass Pro, Academy, Dicks (somewhat) and even Hyatts (though I would not buy from them - just play but pay elsewhere). Another suggestion, go to any skeet/sporting clay courses in your area, bring a couple boxes of shells with you, and ask those that are shooting if you can try out their guns. Most will be happy to let you try there gun(s). This way after trying a few guns, you will have a better idea what works for you.

    Good luck in your search!!!
     
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    I would say no. Primarily, you will have far more options in shell choices (shot size, load size, velocity, etc) with a 12g vs the small gauges.
     
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    The Ruger Red Label has fallen off the spectrum entirely!!! Ruger, after their second attempt, has stopped producing the Red Label and I think they are no longer providing warranty support for it as well (please correct me if I am wrong on this).
     
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    Forgot to ask..... is the barrel length going to make that much of a difference?

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    Not really. Back in the '70's, 26" barrels were the length of choice for skeet shooters. Most field guns are found with a max barrel length of 28". Then barrel lengths went to 28" and presently the current fad is 30" (for most clay sports). My Stoeger has 28" barrels, my Browning 30". Both will bust clays equally well. I would say at a minimum, get 28" barrels. I chose 30" barrels on my Crossover (only comes in 30" or 32") for it felt more balanced in my hands, which is part of the "fit" quotient I mentioned in a previous post.
     
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    if you are going to do much bird hunting (quail) with it, I would recommend 26" barrels. You would be surprised how much difference 2 inches can make swinging a gun in thick brush.
     
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    I did some digging. I like the browning cynergy sporting...... but the engraving sucks compared to the other model cynergys.... what gives? Part of paying the price is the intricate artwork detailed into the gun.... anything similar? Ported barrels and looks as nice with a better job of details in the metal?

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    Personally, I could care less about the engraving on the receiver. I prefer none at all, but can appreciate the artwork when it's hand-done on a high-end gun like a Caesar Guerini, Krieghoff or a Perazzi. The stamped or etched "engraving" to me cheapens the look of the gun. You will be hard-pressed to find a nicely, truly, engraved receiver in your budget. For that, your budget will have to be $3500+ more likely $4k+.

    I would suggest staying away from ported barrels. Other than looks, they do not provide any quantifiable performance improvement as claimed. In addition, they are difficult to keep clean. The shooters around you will notice how much louder it is as well. I have a buddy that I shoot with has an older Cynergy Sport w/ ported barrels. He reloads really really light loads and it is nearly as loud as the factory RIO loads I shoot and my Crossover does not have ported barrels.

    If you like the Cynergy line, take a look at the Cynergy CX, if you can find them. It appears that Browning is starting to phase out the production of this gun (per their website) which is funny for it was only introduced a couple months ago at Shot Show. The CX is essentially a budget version of the Sporting model It's well within your budget, has attractive minimalistic modern styling and Browning's proven reliability and durability. The key will be how does it "fit," and "feel" to you when mounted. I looked at the Cynergy, but preferred the "bulk" of the Crossover. If you cannot find a Cynergy to fondle, the Browning's 725 is similar in character by way of it's slimmer receiver design. You may be able to find the 725 Field model within your budget, but most of the 725 line is higher in price.
     
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    What's the thoughts on a Benelli 828U? Honestly, went to High-att's yesterday and held some guns. The benelli is a little more then my max price tag but it is intriguing

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    I've never shot or even seen the 828U, However from what I've read they are not ideal for clay shooting. They are made for hunting, very light and short barrels.
    Another place to look but not buy would be Gander Mountain.
     
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    There was a guy at the club that had an 828 and I asked to hold it. Way too light for a target gun, bad balance and a way too low rib. With it's weight measured against recoil you'd be through after about the 2nd round......
     
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    Just because I like this pic of mine so much. lol


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    Pros- Got a decent deal on it. Light. Fast. Easy to carry and maneuver. Helps on rabbits in sporting clays.

    Cons- Light means more felt recoil as BB mentioned. Shorter barrel. Can sometimes over compensate since it's so light and fast.

    So it's a double edged sword. I love it. Love the look of it and how it handles. Choked right I can reach out and get whatever I need to on sporting clays. If I do my job, it does fine. I have ported, extended choke tubes on it now to tame the recoil some.

    I shot a buddies Browing Citori 625 in 20 ga. You can't even feel it go off after shooting mine.

    Weight is a plus on the course, but can be problematic if you are carrying it all day. IN a dove field, I don't see it being an issue. Grouse hunting, more of a problem.
     
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    Forget the price for right now. See what OU has the best sight picture for you. When I was shooting a lot of shotguns, I owned a couple Red Labels, Remington 3200, had a K80 for a little while (did not own it) and a Valmet. All most all of them had the same site picture. I owned a couple of Brownings and CK-USA and could not hit anything with them. The drop on the stock was too much.

    If you buy a gun that does not fit you and needs some stock work, you might be talking a bunch of dollars.

    I was told to beware of the person that shows up at the range with one gun to shoot skeet, sporting clay and trap.
     
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    Hickory Pawn and Gun had a nice looking 12 ga Citori with hard case today for $1,199. Looked good. But I didn't get a lot of details since I don't have the fund to pick it up anyway. Cash might get you a better price. @Braveheart
     
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    As a very busy Shotgun Instructor I get asked the "what gun should I buy" question all the time. There are many variables and no one perfect answer. You have already received good advice. One suggestion I will make and that is if you do like the Silver Pigeon I, get the Sporting Model. The Sporting model has Optima Barrels (Overbored) and Optima chokes. It also has a 10x8 rib and mid and front beads and a manual safety. I'd recommend 30" barrels. The gun will balance well and you will retain more resale value. I'd also recommend finding a good Instructor/Gun Fitter to have the gun fitted. It isn't very expensive to adjust the length of pull (LOP) and have a new Kickeez pad installed on any gun with a wood stock. The gun needs to fit you. There are very few 12 gauge O/U's that are optimal for both field and target use. Target guns can be too heavy to lug around in the field and field guns can be too light and whippy for ideal target use and you get beat up with recoil shooting a hundred or more targets.. A good option is an O/U for target use and something like an inexpensive Beretta A300 for field use that you can shoot in the bushes and rain. Good luck....
     
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    I didn't recommend a particular gun because you didn't say how tall you were or how much you weigh or whether you were right handed, left handed or ambidextrous? Some guns are right handed (cast off) and some left handed (cast on). Some have neutral cast. If you are right handed you don't want a left handed gun and vice versa. If you only weigh 135 pounds, recoil is going to be an issue depending on the gun and ammo combination. There are 3 elements to consider with measuring free recoil 1) Ejecta (basically how much shot) 2) Velocity and 3) Weight of gun. People mistakenly sometimes discount the last one (Weight of gun). They skip a 7.5.8.0 lb 12 gauge and get a 6.0-6.5 lb 20 gauge to reduce recoil yet the free recoil is very similar or even less for the 12 gauge. Also a 12 gauge can be downloaded to 7/8 ounce of shot or less and still be very effective. One final note, an adjustable comb can go a long way in getting a gun to fit better. The gun has to fit....
     
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    To the original poster:

    You may have already purchased, but just out of curiosity, what clay target sports are you participating in? I notice you stated you would also be hunting with this gun.

    I also most never recommend an O/U to a person trying to get into clay target sports. You, most likely, would be better served buying a Beretta 391 series or newer Beretta 400 series target gun with a 28" or 30" barrel.

    None-the-less I hope you have found or will find a gun that you shoot well!
     

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