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Mom said it wasn't a gun but a sandwich that her good little boy was carrying.
And the STOLEN 9mm found near the body must have been left there by some criminal. Plausible.

I'm also hearing that the sweet little angel was out on house arrest until his felony trial, and was out on the streets anyway while wearing his ankle lojack. There's the reason he ran.
 
Still protesting.
http://news.yahoo.com/angry-protesters-yell-stoic-police-st-louis-050253710.html

"Online court documents show that Myers was free on bond when he was killed. He had been charged with the unlawful use of a weapon, a felony, and misdemeanor resisting arrest in June."

Mom said it wasn't a gun but a sandwich that her good little boy was carrying.
Yes, we are theorizing it was a Peanut Butter and Jelly (due to the report of it JAMing after 3 rounds)....
 
Yes, we are theorizing it was a Peanut Butter and Jelly (due to the report of it JAMing after 3 rounds)....
This guy right here!! [emoji23]

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I guess when the report comes out that the "little angel" had gun powder residue on his hands the protesters will say that the police planted it there?
Probably...... gets back to what I said earlier about this entire situation being the result of shoddy police work in the past. False evidence and crooked copping in some communities makes people lose trust and question everything including the open/shut legit cases. Its a vicious cycle really where the good police work gets overshadowed by the bad work. And that's before you get into the misinformation aspect.
 
Probably...... gets back to what I said earlier about this entire situation being the result of shoddy police work in the past. False evidence and crooked copping in some communities makes people lose trust and question everything including the open/shut legit cases. Its a vicious cycle really where the good police work gets overshadowed by the bad work. And that's before you get into the misinformation aspect.
I have a problem with bringing up past failures and attempting to apply them to every case to come. The case has to be considered on it's own merit or the system doesn't work.

What if every court case started with the defendants prior history? What would that do to promote a fair trial?
 
I have a problem with bringing up past failures and attempting to apply them to every case to come. The case has to be considered on it's own merit or the system doesn't work.

What if every court case started with the defendants prior history? What would that do to promote a fair trial?
But that is what happens in court. Past offenses do come into play against defendant's but not police. You can blame it on human nature if you choose. I have a problem with you quickly dismissing past failures and thinking they should have no bearing on the trust level of a department to do their jobs correctly. Should I also believe that you think credit reports are bullshiggity? I mean past behavior should never be used as a predictor of future behavior right????

Past experiences shape our feeling about things moving forward and that's human nature. I've seen shitty police work and I've seen it close to home so I don't quickly dismiss it like some folks. My past experiences make me far less trusting that LE is always doing the right thing. Hell just this week I lost money because cops pulled over my employees and tore their van apart illegally searching for drugs claiming they got an anonymous tip they were running drugs which was BS! I can promise you the 2 hours they spent sitting on the side of the highway in cuffs having their property destroyed will affect their level of trust in the police to do the right thing. Amazing how we can all accept the fact that crooked police work can be so common in other countries but think it never happens here. Like I said, that view is shaped by past experiences.
 
Wahoo95:1566506 said:
I have a problem with bringing up past failures and attempting to apply them to every case to come. The case has to be considered on it's own merit or the system doesn't work.

What if every court case started with the defendants prior history? What would that do to promote a fair trial?
But that is what happens in court. Past offenses do come into play against defendant's but not police. You can blame it on human nature if you choose. I have a problem with you quickly dismissing past failures and thinking they should have no bearing on the trust level of a department to do their jobs correctly. Should I also believe that you think credit reports are bullshiggity? I mean past behavior should never be used as a predictor of future behavior right????

Past experiences shape our feeling about things moving forward and that's human nature. I've seen shitty police work and I've seen it close to home so I don't quickly dismiss it like some folks. My past experiences make me far less trusting that LE is always doing the right thing. Hell just this week I lost money because cops pulled over my employees and tore their van apart illegally searching for drugs claiming they got an anonymous tip they were running drugs which was BS! I can promise you the 2 hours they spent sitting on the side of the highway in cuffs having their property destroyed will affect their level of trust in the police to do the right thing. Amazing how we can all accept the fact that crooked police work can be so common in other countries but think it never happens here. Like I said, that view is shaped by past experiences.
So basically...

Profiling and stereotyping police is cool because of some stuff other police have done in the past.

But don't replace "police" with "minorities" because that would be unconscionable.
 
But that is what happens in court. Past offenses do come into play against defendant's but not police.
Not true, any mention of a defendant's past is grounds for an immediate mistrial.

You are in essence saying that no case or action that ever comes from any police department is valid because they all have had bad cases before or done some things people didn't like.
 
So basically...

Profiling and stereotyping police is cool because of some stuff other police have done in the past.

But don't replace "police" with "minorities" because that would be unconscionable.
An intelligent person would recognize the difference being that the police are in positions of authority. Get back to me next time you see anyone harassing or arresting police because they fit the description.
 
Not true, any mention of a defendant's past is grounds for an immediate mistrial.

You are in essence saying that no case or action that ever comes from any police department is valid because they all have had bad cases before or done some things people didn't like.
Not true if a defendant has been convicted of a crime that carries a punishment of 60 or more days it can be brought up in court. But it has be be a conviction not just a charge.

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Do you know why it's "news" when a white police officer kills an unarmed black kid?

Because it's a statistically rare occurrence.


Do you know why it's "news" when a white (or white-hispanic) concealed carry holder kills an unarmed black kid?

Because it's a statistically even rarer occurrence.


Do you know why it's not news when a black kid kills an unarmed black kid?
 
Not true, any mention of a defendant's past is grounds for an immediate mistrial.

You are in essence saying that no case or action that ever comes from any police department is valid because they all have had bad cases before or done some things people didn't like.
Please try keeping up with me here. I never said that bad bad police work invalidates future case work. I specifically addressed why some communities have a hard time trusting their local PD to do their jobs fairly and that mistrust is fueled by poor police work on the past. Doesn't mean its not valid but it does mean the community doesn't blindly trust it.
 
Wahoo95:1566574 said:
So basically...

Profiling and stereotyping police is cool because of some stuff other police have done in the past.

But don't replace "police" with "minorities" because that would be unconscionable.
An intelligent person would recognize the difference being that the police are in positions of authority. Get back to me next time you see anyone harassing or arresting police because they fit the description.
No, an intelligent person would know that it is insane to believe that a police officer shooting a suspect in broad daylight in front of witnesses is evidence of some institutionalized, racist conspiracy because bad things have happened in the past.

An intelligent person, after hearing reports that a man who fired on police was killed, would not take to the street in rage and indignation because they have "trust issues" over unconnected incidents that have happened in the distant past. Even if, as in the case of Ferguson, crooked cops got busted and the system worked.

But, yeah...I'm probably expecting too much. I mean, hell the family of Duncan, who brought ebola to the states and put who knows how many people at risk and who probably received half a million dollars worth of care despite having no insurance, is weighing a lawsuit with the help of Reverend Jessie Jackson because white people survived and they let him die...because racism, I guess.
 
Do you know why it's "news" when a white police officer kills an unarmed black kid?

Because it's a statistically rare occurrence.

Do you know why it's "news" when a white (or white-hispanic) concealed carry holder kills an unarmed black kid?

Because it's a statistically even rarer occurrence.

Do you know why it's not news when a black kid kills an unarmed black kid?
Okaayyy.....WTF does that have to do with explaining why some people don't blindly trust the police? The conversation drifted into why people were protesting what seems to be a legit open/shut case and why they would question the evidence of said open/shut case. What exactly are you attempting to add to that conversation?
 
Not true if a defendant has been convicted of a crime that carries a punishment of 60 or more days it can be brought up in court. But it has be be a conviction not just a charge.

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2) Can it be used as evidence at trial?

Here we are talking about the prosecution's case, not the defense case. Generally, the prosecution is not allowed to put evidence before the jury that the defendant was convicted of a crime.

The law says it's probative value is far outweighed by its prejudicial effect. What? In layman's terms - the jury will be more likely to convict a person they think is already a convicted felon, no matter what the proof is in the current case.

The prosecution must prove their case based on evidence of the current charges. The court does not allow proclivity evidence. No evidence that says "once a criminal, always a criminal."

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