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Is it worth the extra money? Ive done so research and it seems like the only differences are an aluminum trigger guard, and a beefier barrel. (the models my LGS have, do not have ghost rings sights) With that said i'm pretty sure the a1 comes drilled and tapped which is nice, if i add sights or a rail or what have you. I'm not sure that the 590 does.

What does the thicker barrel do for me, i'm new to firearms so i'm not sure as to the benefits unless its simply for wear purposes?

It's only about $100 difference so its really not that big of a deal, either way i'll have to add sights to it
 
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I have one with the magpul upgrades.

I am sticking with the 870
what do you like/dislike that leads you to the 870? I'm purchasing it for HD and thought i had my mind made up on the 870 until i went and held them yesterday. They pretty much felt the same holding them, the only real difference i saw was the safety and slide release i guess its called? I just felt like in a SHTF scenario it might be nice to have the safety right there so you would know your hot & the release was a bit more accessible. But, with that said, I have never fired a shotgun in my life so maybe these aren't as big of an issue as i think
 
Let's take a deeper look, beyond the safety, allum/steel receiver stuff.

With the 870 and 590 /590A1 we have in the shop, the workmanship are both junk from both manufactures, no one wins that way. On all levels.

The action arm design attached to the 590 I think is poorly done. It causes the forearm (pump) to twist more then the 870 does.

The 590, I have worked on to improve the pressure of the cocking action to smooth it out some. In my findings the following parts do not fit well at all.

Bolt lock
Bolt lock pin
Bolt slide
Elevator assembly

These parts s are so poorly made on our 590 we had less then 15% contact. These issues cause some of the less then smooth pumping.

The bolt slide cocks the hammer, when you manipulate the forearm the pressure is from sending the hammer to cock. The bolt slide does not have a cocking ramp, this adds more then needed residence.

The brazing of the two barrel rings and front sight is poorly done. The magazine tube was loose (finger tight)

The 870 is not that good from the box, but are easier to fix and show results.

I polished my chamber (a service we offer). On my 870 they set the factory magazine tube deeper in my receiver then needed. I only have 2 threads to install a magazine ext tube.

After 300rnds on the 870 the action is Butter smooth.

Both firearms have one of the worst finishes I ever bought.

So that's my point of view.

John
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
ok so the 870 is smoother after a little work where as the 500/590 doesn't really become as smooth, and overall poorly manufactured on both ends.

anyone else have any opinions on these two?
 
I have a 590a1 and I love everything about it. One thing I like about mossberg is regarding the ejector. On a mossberg it's held in with a screw so if it breaks you can replace it yourself in 2 mins. On an 870 the ejector is riveted to the frame, it breaks and it goes back to Remington, as for me, there's no way I'd be able to fix that.
 
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I have a 590a1 and I love everything about it. One thing I like about mossberg is regarding the ejector. On a mossberg it's held in with a screw so if it breaks you can replace it yourself in 2 mins. On an 870 the ejector is riveted to the frame, it breaks and it goes back to Remington, as for me, there's no way I'd be able to fix that.
does yours have the ghost ring sights?
 
I have no real issues with the 590 as I've been using one for 25 years. They all work...

I have a USGI 590...a 500 riot..a 500 mariner trench gun.. and an Ithaca 37 riot for fun work :)

Easier to keep in shape if all of them are the same type.


try them both and go with whatever you like.
 
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i think after holding them i'm leaning towards the 590; i didn't think i was going to like the positioning of the safety but it grew on me. i'm going to see if my local range has them both to try and shoot them before purchasing
 
John makes some good points on the 590 and I really don't have enough experience with 870s so I was curious. I have a 590a1 I got on a good deal and it has served me very well so far. I would be interested to try out an 870 sometime.

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Any time you want to make the trip over this way I have several 870s and a couple 11xx series semi autos too.

I like the older 870s personally, before Freedom Group started chasing bottom dollar.....

I've put a lot of shells downrange from Mossbergs too though.
 
After breaking 2 Mossberg 500s and helping a friend repair a third, I switched over to 870s. I am rather hard on shotguns. I live back in the woods and treat them like the farm implement they are. Got my first shotgun when I was 11. Traded my Atari for it, at school. I'm 41 now, and while not an expert by any means, I have shot them a lot. For fun, under duress, for food, and even a little competition back in the day. I prefer the older Wingmasters, and Police Magnums. One particular Police Magnum has been to heck and back with me. The mud and the blood and the beer and all that.

I have had 2 590s in the past couple of decades. Didn't break either one of those. Well, one came with an aftermarket Choate stock that I broke when firing 7 Brenke slugs in VERY rapid succession while sitting on the ground with my back to a tree. If I had been standing I might not have broken that stock. But I think my shoulder being on the tree was just more than she could bear. But, that was an aftermarket accessory, not having anything to do with the shotgun itself.

I also flat out destroyed one of those Knox recoil reducing stocks just by firing it. A lot. So did my brother-in-law. Customer service wasn't worth a crap in either case.

Even though I never technically broke a 590, I never really pushed them that hard either. I think if the only use your shotgun is gonna get is stashed in the bedroom for HD, or shooting at the range, most any of them will do, go with whatever fits you best.

But if you have any hopes for your shotgun lasting during some apocalyptic wasteland scenario, I'd err on the side of certain 870s, with a 590 being a close second in my mind.

And by the way, not trying to sound overly derogatory here, but once you get out of the suburbs/ city/ shooting range only use, and run the hell out of them, those AR-15 collapsible stock type deals on shotguns, yeah, they're gonna break. All of them.
 
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After breaking 2 Mossberg 500s and helping a friend repair a third, I switched over to 870s. I am rather hard on shotguns. I live back in the woods and treat them like the farm implement they are. Got my first shotgun when I was 11. Traded my Atari for it, at school. I'm 41 now, and while not an expert by any means, I have shot them a lot. For fun, under duress, for food, and even a little competition back in the day. I prefer the older Wingmasters, and Police Magnums. One particular Police Magnum has been to heck and back with me. The mud and the blood and the beer and all that.

I have had 2 590s in the past couple of decades. Didn't break either one of those. Well, one came with an aftermarket Choate stock that I broke when firing 7 Brenke slugs in VERY rapid succession while sitting on the ground with my back to a tree. If I had been standing I might not have broken that stock. But I think my shoulder being on the tree was just more than she could bear. But, that was an aftermarket accessory, not having anything to do with the shotgun itself.

I also flat out destroyed one of those Knox recoil reducing stocks just by firing it. A lot. So did my brother-in-law. Customer service wasn't worth a crap in either case.

Even though I never technically broke a 590, I never really pushed them that hard either. I think if the only use your shotgun is gonna get is stashed in the bedroom for HD, or shooting at the range, most any of them will do, go with whatever fits you best.

But if you have any hopes for your shotgun lasting during some apocalyptic wasteland scenario, I'd err on the side of certain 870s, with a 590 being a close second in my mind.

And by the way, not trying to sound overly derogatory here, but once you get out of the suburbs/ city/ shooting range only use, and run the hell out of them, those AR-15 collapsible stock type deals on shotguns, yeah, they're gonna break. All of them.
Damn, yeah I'll probably never be that hard on it. I'm not a hunter or anything so all of the firing will be primarily done at the range in one capacity or another. But I do try to go to the range every weekend so it is something to think about. I'm going to try and rent one of each at my local range and see what I like.
 
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