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USPSA Classifier Questions

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#1 ·
I shot my second USPSA match today and have some questions about submitting classifier scores.

In March at SWGC I shot Quickie Mart at 50.88% for Production, per classifiercalc.com. In April I joined USPSA and recently received my member number. Is there any way to submit this score?

Today at SWGC I shot Fluffy's Revenge 2 at 68.61%, per classifiercalc.com. SWGC will submit this score, correct?

Thanks
 
#11 ·
Yeah, I can access the website with no issues. I was asking about the link for the app. Still doesn't give me anything but a description of the application.


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#13 ·
Rhttp://www.google.com/search?q=uspsa+ro+cheating&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

Still going on, mainly in certain squads and yes some people will sell their honor for a better pick at the prize table. If time permitted and you chrono'd the whole match easily 1/3 would not be making stated power factor. Get out of sanctioned shooting matches, take the same money spent and take a good shooting school with out a race gun.
 
#39 ·
Rhttp://www.google.com/search?q=uspsa+ro+cheating&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

Still going on, mainly in certain squads and yes some people will sell their honor for a better pick at the prize table. If time permitted and you chrono'd the whole match easily 1/3 would not be making stated power factor. Get out of sanctioned shooting matches, take the same money spent and take a good shooting school with out a race gun.
If you actually have proof that there's cheating going on, I'm sure USPSA HQ would love to hear about it.
 
#41 ·
Yes they are. The classifiers are probably the only way to rank shooters on a national level. The classifiers are set to same distances, using the same type targets, no matter where you are in the country. All the stages in a whole match could not be set up that way. I'm with Ben on this one. I'm not saying it's perfect but I can't think of another way to do it.

I understand what Mike is saying though, when you see C class shooters beating 3/4 of the A class shooters, it gets a little frustrating.
 
#46 · (Edited)
Ben, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I appreciate getting your take on the subject.

I have thought about this a lot. I think at the highest tier of this sport, the current classifier system works OK and really, at the highest tiers in our sport, the whole conversation is irrelevant.

Having said that and in consideration of the lower tiers of USPSA shooters, my thoughts regarding the USPSA classifier system revolve around the following thoughts:

1.) I have never shot a classifier that involves the kind of movement we routinely see on field courses and the majority of match stages. It seems to me that the classifiers measure one thing and that is just shooting skill, and certainly not the ability to adeptly navigate a field course. This is where the system fails, imho. The majority of classifiers simply don't reflect the stages we routinely shoot at matches on a local or national level.

2.) I have personally witnessed and know a few people that can shoot at an A or B class level on field courses but can't or won't shoot a classifier to that level, they don't even come close. It could be "classifier jitters" but in the end, the results are just too far apart. Conversely, I am a B class Open shooter according to current classifier system but there is no way I can compete to that level on field course because I am too old and I suck.

3.) Paper GMs that can't or won't perform to the same level as their ranking on field courses or at major matches.

These are the reasons I think the current USPSA Classifier ranking system is an inaccurate way to properly rank a low to mid-level competitor. It is also the reason I think overall match level performance should be averaged out with classifier performance to derive a true classifier ranking that eliminates or minimizes sand-bagging or grand-bagging.

How hard could it be for USPSA to look at what percentage someone shot the whole match at and compare it to the actual classifier results that the same person shot at the very same match and then make a ranking determination?

Again, thanks for your comments and thoughts.

Edited for clarity of thought
 
#47 ·
Ben, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I appreciate getting your take on the subject.

I have thought about this a lot. I think at the highest tier of this sport, the current classifier system works OK and really, at the highest tiers in our sport, the whole conversation is irrelevant.

Having said that and in consideration of the lower tiers of USPSA shooters, my thoughts regarding the USPSA classifier system revolve around the following thoughts:

1.) I have never shot a classifier that involves the kind of movement we routinely see on field courses and the majority of match stages. It seems to me that the classifiers measure one thing and that is just shooting skill, and certainly not the ability to adeptly navigate a field course. This is where the system fails, imho. The majority of classifiers simply don't reflect the stages we routinely shoot at matches on a local or national level.

2.) I have personally witnessed and know a few people that can shoot at an A or B class level on field courses but can't or won't shoot a classifier to that level, they don't even come close. It could be "classifier jitters" but in the end, the results are just too far apart. Conversely, I am a B class Open shooter according to current classifier system but there is no way I can compete to that level on field course because I am too old and I suck.

3.) Paper GMs that can't or won't perform to the same level as their ranking on field courses or at major matches.

These are the reasons I think the USPSA Classifier ranking system is an inaccurate way to properly rank a low to mid-level competitor. It is also the reason I think overall match level performance should be averaged out with classifier performance to derive a ranking that eliminates sand-bagging or grand-bagging.

How hard could it be for USPSA to look at what percentage someone shot the whole match at and compare it to the actual classifier results that the same person shot at the very same match and then make a ranking determination?

Again, thanks for your comments and thoughts.
The funniest thing in the world is watching people who reshoot classifiers to get to GM, get absolutely slaughtered at major matches.