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Heroes.
 
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I wasn't there so this is just conjecture on my part. Based on the story in the link, the responding officers evidently sustained minor injuries. That tells me that the older homeowner got off at least one shot with his shotgun, probably loaded with bird shot. Had he not been as old, and was armed with a shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot and was very proficient with it, this story may well have played out a little differently. Two shots to the chest and one to the groin tells me that the elderly homeowner probably shot first before taking the shots he received. In any event, it sounds like at least one officer left the scene with some bird shot lodged somewhere in his/her body.
 
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The problem is within the cell phone and towers system. I had an officer come to my work Friday because they received a hang up call and my address was apparently what the tower gave them. It was at a time when I was literally the only one there. He walked around and found nothing. He then told me it was a cell phone and it could've been someone driving by.
 
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Wonder what the 911 call is that they felt they had to go around the back and not approach the front door and identify themselves first?

Way back in the day I made a 911 call because someone was following me and attempted to get into the house. The cops showed up (to the right house) and I opened the door with a pistol visible in my hand. They didn't draw, they didn't beat me, they just wanted to know where the guy was and asked if they could search the back yard. They couldn't find him, so they told me to "keep that gun handy" and left. I guess I should be lucky that back in the day they didn't assume that everyone with a gun in their OWN HOME was a threat that had to be neutralized.
 
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If I saw people skulking around in my back yard in the middle of the night I would call 911 and then prepare to defend my family against a home invasion. No lights by the PO seems to be a questionable and potentially very dangerous decision. The taxpayers of that municipality should be stroking a substantial check to cover his medical bills and civil suit brought by the family.
 
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There is something here that just doesn't make sense. Had a couple of wrong location 911 call response show up at my front door. Talk to the officer for a minute, no problem. On one occasion the officer asked to step inside to make sure everything was okay. On another, he talked to me and another officer walked my wife to the side and spoke with her. I figure that one, the original 911 call was something domestic or something led the officers to believe this. Never had any issues.
Of course, I always find it funny since I can see the police station from my front porch!
 
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I've said it before, but if a 17 year old high-school kid delivering pizza in a ratty old honda can find the right address in 30 mins or less with no training and minimum wage, then there is NO EXCUSE for professional, academy trained, career law enforcement officers with an entire department backing and supporting them, to not get the right address. No excuse.

Personally, I think the officers on the entry team should be charged with B&E, at a minimum.
 
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This is just an unfortunate situation not caused by anyone involved. Officers don't go up lights going to every single call and they were just looking around to make sure someone wasn't hurt, a domestic or worse. Then you have the half deaf ,which means mostly deaf, home owner going out with a gun and not putting it down after being ordered too, probably couldn't hear. Then shots, who's first is hard to tell from the little bit from the third hand witness. Apparently all parties injured home owner worse than two much younger officers. These officer didn't bust through the door of the wrong house they were checking for a bad situation once cleared they would have left. It is pretty much the perfect combination for something bad to happen.
 
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htperry said:
Most of the below definitions seem to fit the subject of this thread. UNWELCOMED FORCED ENTRY.

invade

[in-veyd]
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verb (used with object), invaded, invading.
1.
to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent:
Germany invaded Poland in 1939.
2.
to enter like an enemy:
Locusts invaded the fields.
3.
to enter as if to take possession:
to invade a neighbor's home.
4.
to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease:
viruses that invade the bloodstream.
5.
to intrude upon:
to invade the privacy of a family.
6.
to encroach or infringe upon:
to invade the rights of citizens.
7.
to permeate:
The smell of baking invades the house.
verb (used without object), invaded, invading.
9.
to make an invasion :
troops awaiting the signal to invade.
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The police knocked on the door. with part of the definition covers this?
 
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jrgreen said:
The police knocked on the door. with part of the definition covers this?
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6.
to encroach or infringe upon:
to invade the rights of citizens.

Not to mention the near murder of an innocent home owner on HIS property; that the home owner has no culpability in his near death when he was alarmed by prowlers outside his home at night.. Good thing for the home owner these cops didn't accidentally have a SWAT robot with a bomb.
 
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Unable to get a response, the troopers approached a sliding glass door in the rear of the home and knocked, shining flashlights into the home and announcing that they were responding to a 911 call, according to the Attorney General's Office.

Even the old fella's attorney said it was a tragic accident. So I don't understand the whole narrative of this thread.
This wasn't a no knock warrant or drug bust ect.
 
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Cowboysfan said:
Unable to get a response, the troopers approached a sliding glass door in the rear of the home and knocked, shining flashlights into the home and announcing that they were responding to a 911 call, according to the Attorney General's Office.

Even the old fella's attorney said it was a tragic accident. So I don't understand the whole narrative of this tread.
This wasn't a no knock warrant or drug bust ect.
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I don't think the responding LE had any ill intentions. Sometimes though, I think LE has trouble empathizing, if that's the right word, with people they interact with.

Would I trust people at my back door, saying they were cops? Negative. Anyone can say that.

As I mentioned earlier, blue lights would be a nice way to identify themselves. It's dark , they are on someone's property... Those officers in their own home, in the situation, would have probably responded with even more force than the homeowner did.
 
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Why would they go around to check? You never know about a 911 hang up call.

http://fox13now.com/2016/04/03/police-investigating-homicide-at-apartment-complex-in-salt-lake-city/

http://patch.com/rhode-island/woons...land/woonsocket/police-arrest-three-after-911-hangup-call-reveals-bro2753a28d3b

Or maybe when they don't go dismissing it as just something simple.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/...6/07/12/va-father-with-heart-disease-dies-after-911-call-dismissed-as/21430943/

Guys it was a tragic accident just as the families own attorney admitted.
 
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Here's my take: I'm a law abiding citizen. I know I have done nothing wrong. Well, at least I know that I haven't intentionally broken the law. We are all law breakers whether we know it or not. However, I know I'm not a criminal in the normal sense of the word. If I get an unannounced visit by law enforcement after I'm down for the night, they better make it extremely clear who they are and what they want. I may die, but if they are armed and don't make it clear who they are, someone is going with me. That's not internet bravado. The reason it's not is because it applies to anyone who happens to come to my door while armed in the middle of the night, morning, day, or evening. But nightime when visual cues are difficult to ascertain, is the main focus here because we are talking about identifying law enforcement. If they show up anytime other than while I'm asleep and they have the wrong house, then I'll invite them in for a cool drink of water, some coffee, or whatever. But if they show up in the middle of the night while I'm sleeping, and they don't know they have the wrong house, then things are going south, big time. If I didn't think so, then why do I, or any of you on here sleep with ready access to a firearm(s)? Those are my thoughts anyway.
 
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To add to my last post, and with all due respect, because this is not an anti-cop thread like I stated in my OP, this actually was an accident, just like the homeowner's attorney said. But it was an accident, among countless accidents like the one that is the subject of this thread......... that shouldn't have happened. I've said this on here countless times before. Eventually, one of these wrong address deals is going to go bad. Very bad.
 
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We are heading further and further to being in a French like society where the officers don't carry guns. Because something bad might happen. So when that happens to pacify so many, where do you think our guns will end up??
mon dieu nous visse
 
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Tyederian said:
My whole point is what do we do to prevent this besides blaming the homeowner or the police.
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This doesn't apply now as I'm currently in the suburbs, but I own rural property that I plan to move to. The area will have: a private road, a gate, bollards, fences, plants such as orange Osage, alarms, cameras, animals, and possibly things I won't discuss in an open forum.

Suffice it to say, men in blue will NOT be strolling up to my front door, let alone my back door.
 
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