Massive Terrorist Attack In Oslo
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Bet it was one of those striaght/white/middleclass/veteran/christians we keep getting warned about.
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Word is that it was a 32 year old Norwegian with blond hair... Course now they are calling it a right wing job and compairing him to McVeigh...
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This is what I heard
The blast comes as the Scandinavian country has grappled with a series of homegrown terror plots linked to al-Qaida, and six years after an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in neighboring Denmark.
Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he's deported from the Nordic country.
The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar - the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam - made to various media,
including American network NBC.
The blast comes as the Scandinavian country has grappled with a series of homegrown terror plots linked to al-Qaida, and six years after an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in neighboring Denmark.
Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he's deported from the Nordic country.
The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar - the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam - made to various media,
including American network NBC.
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These days that means nothing. They've been converting Westerners for some time..........remember Muriel Degauque?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4488642.stm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177384,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/dec/02/iraq.islam
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While gun ownership is high, Norway has very restrictive gun laws. Gun ownership is limited to hunting or sporting use, and the number of guns one can own, as well as how they are stored and transported, is regulated.
There is no lawful carry of any kind.
There is no lawful carry of any kind.
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Ummmmm...I gotta call bull**** on you with this one since this horrible event could not have taken place since the many laws they have in place prevent such rhings.
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The UN conference is about global treaties that would basically get rid of semi-auto center fire weapons.
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Luckily at least 51 Senators have signed letters to BHO and Clinton stating they will oppose anything in the ATT that relates to civilian ownership or restrictions placed on them. Any treaty would need 2/3rds of the Senate to pass so they dont have the votes to do it. Lets hope it stays that way.
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Yea... Verdict is still on that, I am also seeing reports of him frequenting Nazi sites.
Plus, unless he was reciting the Catholic mass during the shootings I do not see how his religion is relevant.
Norway Murders
Just read accounts in NY Times and Washington Post on line. They will refer you to his page. He basically believes Norway is a Christian nation and that Muslims, Jews, and others don't belong there. He is entitled to his views but not to kill those who don't agree.
Just read accounts in NY Times and Washington Post on line. They will refer you to his page. He basically believes Norway is a Christian nation and that Muslims, Jews, and others don't belong there. He is entitled to his views but not to kill those who don't agree.
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That does not sound far off from Naziism...
What he did was certainly wrong (to put it mildly) regardless of the rationale. The politics of psychopaths, however, is often very relevant -- Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Khomenei's Iran, Chavez's Venezuela, Cotton Mather's New England, etc., come to mind. To dismiss the background socio-political environment that shaped this fellow's thinking and actions is a good way to ignore the possibility of similar actions by individuals, groups, not to mention by governments and whole peoples.
I agree with you cens. This guy is part of a movement, although he carried it to deranged extremes like McVeigh. This is why some of the extremist ranting on this forum concerns me. Blowing off steam is good, but who will carry the anger and frustration to criminal action?
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More misinformation? Or is it just me?
This comes from http://news.yahoo.com/norway-police-lower-youth-camp-death-toll-68-151414572.html (last 3 paragraphs):
Dr. Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss northwest of Oslo, told The Associated Press that the gunman used special bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage. Poole said surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims have recovered no full bullets.
"These bullets more or less exploded inside the body," Poole said. "It's caused us all kinds of extra problems in dealing with the wounds they cause, with very strange trajectories."
Ballistics experts say "dum-dum"-style bullets also are lighter in weight and can be fired with greater accuracy over varying distances.
This sounds like sensationalism to me. "Exploded"? I doubt it. What kind of "special bullets" is the good Doctor talking about? Frangible bullets are designed to break up, but not for the purpose of causing maximum internal damage (if I understand correctly, they're designed to minimize the chance of dangerous ricochets). A hollow point that comes apart into many small pieces isn't working the way it was designed. And I wasn't aware that hollow points were more accurate than other bullets - but it's easy to quote unnamed "ballistics experts" when nobody is fact-checking your article. I think "dum-dum" should have been in the by-line of the story, not the body of the article.
This comes from http://news.yahoo.com/norway-police-lower-youth-camp-death-toll-68-151414572.html (last 3 paragraphs):
Dr. Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss northwest of Oslo, told The Associated Press that the gunman used special bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage. Poole said surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims have recovered no full bullets.
"These bullets more or less exploded inside the body," Poole said. "It's caused us all kinds of extra problems in dealing with the wounds they cause, with very strange trajectories."
Ballistics experts say "dum-dum"-style bullets also are lighter in weight and can be fired with greater accuracy over varying distances.
This sounds like sensationalism to me. "Exploded"? I doubt it. What kind of "special bullets" is the good Doctor talking about? Frangible bullets are designed to break up, but not for the purpose of causing maximum internal damage (if I understand correctly, they're designed to minimize the chance of dangerous ricochets). A hollow point that comes apart into many small pieces isn't working the way it was designed. And I wasn't aware that hollow points were more accurate than other bullets - but it's easy to quote unnamed "ballistics experts" when nobody is fact-checking your article. I think "dum-dum" should have been in the by-line of the story, not the body of the article.
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