Aparently its in the constitution that they can only count us once every 10 years. Of course this is the same government that bends everything in the constitution as if it were not rules but bendable guidelines.

If you have taken one in the past 10 I would tell them you refuse to do it and to stop wasting your time, if they want you can fax them a copy of the constitution.

That is unless you want to do it, I did not know they could only do it once every 10 years so I spent well over an hour on the phone answering a bunch of stupid questions. Surprised they didnt ask me if I owned firearms.

 

It's 10 questions. Just fill the damn thing out. They aren't asking you for your bank PIN number. If you want to be all tinfoil hat just put the number of people in your house on 4/1 for the first question.

 

10 questions? Lmao when they called me it was well over 80. Guess I got the wrong thing?

Do you have any mental problems? Do you need help getting dressed? Fed? To get to work? How much is your home insurance?
List goes on, no way that was 10 questions.

Im guessing im getting it mixed up with anotherone?

 

Then you didn't get the standard census. Next time just tell them to go away. Right now everyone is getting the standard census form which is 10 questions.

 

These 3 and no more: (copied from the other thread)
1. The actual number of people living at the address printed on the form, excluding untaxed Native Americans;
2. Age of each person in accordance with US Const. Amendment XIV, Section 2;
3. Sex of each person, in accordance with US Const. Amendment XIV, Section 2.

No tin foil hat here. I simply refuse to voluntarily forfeit my constitutionally protected rights, or allow another to violate them.

 

There is an active and ongoing thread on this subject in the "non-firearms" section.
http://www.carolinashootersforum.com/showthread.php?t=71623

 

I agree with Phudd. Why is it that whenever I demand that the government follow the constitution I'm wearing tin foil. (I've tried the tin foil trick by the way and I am positive that Willie Nelson could still see me from his satelite). But seriously, it is nobody's damn business how much I make ya da ya da. I'll be answering the census according to what I am required to by the constitution and no more.

I have guns because I am allowed to under the constitution, does this make me a gun nut?

 

You're on here so you're a gun nut.

My point is that asking further questions isn't a problem. Sometimes information is required for decisions to be made. In this case, funding for a lot of projects. There are cases out there where large areas didn't answer the census and ended up hurt because of that. If you don't want to answer it, that's fine..but simply saying "I don't have to because the Constitution doesn't tell me I have to do it" isn't a valid answer to me in this case.

 

Then you didn't get the standard census. Next time just tell them to go away. Right now everyone is getting the standard census form which is 10 questions.

Not quite true, the first page is 10 questions...as is the ONLY part of the form that they show you on their website below.

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interactive-form.php

Then they ask questions about EACH person living there.

My issue is...my phone number is unlisted for a reason, I do not wish to speak to them, and though the form states "and your answers are protected by law"...so I'm to assume that my phone number will be randomly selected by a computer should they need to contact me, and their "employee" which was solicited from God knows where, will not know who he or she is talking to...rendering all of my answers null and void?
Also...what possible business is it of theirs concerning my home being rented, mortgaged, owned free and clear, or provided to me at no cost?
Finally, the "other" occupants of my home are age 21 or older. The document(s) were sent to "To Resident (singular) At.....(insert addy)". Should "I" be responsible for information given out concerning legal aged residents at "my" home, some of whom I have no legal relation to? Can those residents sue me for giving out said information about them? There are no instructions relating to this.

As far as I'm concerned, the only information that they are asking for that MIGHT help my community is "how many people reside here".
Asking race just pisses me off!
I'm a white male business owner, and as such I am the most discriminated against business owner BY the federal government!
Check the bidders sheet of ANY government bidders contract.
"Are you"...
Female owned?
Minority owned?
Small business? (under their guidelines)

If it makes no difference then why TF do they need to ask!

Sorry...I went OT...but it goes along the same reasonings.

 

I gladly put my phone number on there, but if you have seen my handwriting, you would know they'll never call me.

Some call me Make Sezlon for that reason.

 

I gladly put my phone number on there, but if you have seen my handwriting, you would know they'll never call me.

Some call me Make Sezlon for that reason.

Hmmm?....times are tough...I'm not sure that I can afford my dyslexia meds this week.

 

There is, in my opinion, an unwarranted focus on "what flavor of Hispanic are you?"
You are told you MUST answer two race-related questions.
One has to do with what variety of Hispanic you are (remember, you MUST answer this, and there is no "None"). The other has white, black, Asian, Filipino, etc.

So what? I'm maybe Guatemalan and Asian?

 

I MIGHT check a race box if there was one for Scotsman

 

I MIGHT check a race box if there was one for Scotsman

I ain't check'n chit cuz they don't give me the option of LSR "Land Speed Racing".

 

I dont like it any more then you do but...

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_cens.html

Even though we are protected by the Constitution, they have other laws that require you to fillout the whole thing.

 

The act directed that the names of the heads of families be recorded, the number of white males sixteen and older, the number of white males under sixteen, the number of white females, the number of all other free persons, and the number of slaves.

Yeah, I think it's time the UPDATED that crap....

The law requires, in the case of both the decennial census and the ACS, that all households that get a form must fill it out in its entirety, under penalty.

It says I have to fill it out, doesn't say I have to use their answers or give them the answer they want...my answer may just be "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"...

Advice to leave the form blank or to fail to fill it in may actually bring more of the government into your life than you want - as noted above, unfiled and incomplete forms will be followed-up upon by actual census workers, either in person or by telephone.

Really? I mean how much MORE could they possibly intrude?

 

You're on here so you're a gun nut.

My point is that asking further questions isn't a problem. Sometimes information is required for decisions to be made. In this case, funding for a lot of projects. There are cases out there where large areas didn't answer the census and ended up hurt because of that. If you don't want to answer it, that's fine..but simply saying "I don't have to because the Constitution doesn't tell me I have to do it" isn't a valid answer to me in this case.

I guess it is a question of how you see the government. The "people will miss out" thing is something I believe they use to dig into my personal life (with the long form census). I actually just filled out my census form (you are right, what they refer to as the short form is only questions, mostly constitutional in nature other than the request for the phone number and birth date). There is a long form that I received 10 years ago that is sent to a certain percentage of Americans that has no purpose other than to create reports than will tell private companies to better assess where to build the next Hardee's. I am not advocating not filling out the census, but I took an oath some 25 odd years ago that said I would uphold the constitution, even though I am no longer active duty, the way I see it I was not absolved of this duty and plan to stick to my guns on this one (no pun).
Now, if you will excuse me, I have to reapply the tinfoil to my windows

 

I wonder what would happen if someone wrote Osama Bin Laden as a resident on their form?

 

Phudd, there is one for Scotsman. Question: "What is Person #'s race?" check "Some other race" and print Caledonian American (or Scot if so inclined).

.........Before I saw this form, I didn't know there are so many races.

 

OK Sleipnir, the depth of my Latin skills runs from Veni Vidi Vicci (I came, I saw, I conquered) Semper Fidelis and Semper Cursus (always faithful and always running). You have got to translate that tag line. My curiosity is peaked!

 

I guess I'm going to jail...I just put the total number of people in my household and mailed it back.

 

There are cases out there where large areas didn't answer the census and ended up hurt because of that.

Please give examples- I ask because I'd really like to know

 

Okay guys, I spoke to my buddy who works for the Census Bureau to get "their" reason for some of the data collected. The bulk of it is for statitical analysis.


1) They're asking for home ownership/rental info to determine overall condition of the country's economy based on number of people who own versus rent.


2) They're asking for race/age/income data to compile stats which better determine where more of any specific types of resources are needed. For example, they may find that there is a large concentration of low income seniors concentrated in a specific area so they can try to direct more reseources for things like Senior care facilities or budgeting for Senior care to those areas/districts.


3) They only ask for names/addresses to aid them in eliminating duplicates since they don't collect SS#'s which would be the ultimate unique identification number. He says that lots of people will fill out the information more than once either on purpose or due to not remembering. He's says they can still cut out many of the duplicates without that info, but having it does make things easier.


I told him I personally would only be filling in the number of people living in my house, race and sex and he was okay with that. Said the additional data really is to help them with getting a more complete and accurate count as well as providing them the ability to compile more statictical data.

 

Not quite true, the first page is 10 questions...as is the ONLY part of the form that they show you on their website below.

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interactive-form.php

Then they ask questions about EACH person living there.

My issue is...my phone number is unlisted for a reason, I do not wish to speak to them, and though the form states "and your answers are protected by law"...so I'm to assume that my phone number will be randomly selected by a computer should they need to contact me, and their "employee" which was solicited from God knows where, will not know who he or she is talking to...rendering all of my answers null and void?
Also...what possible business is it of theirs concerning my home being rented, mortgaged, owned free and clear, or provided to me at no cost?
Finally, the "other" occupants of my home are age 21 or older. The document(s) were sent to "To Resident (singular) At.....(insert addy)". Should "I" be responsible for information given out concerning legal aged residents at "my" home, some of whom I have no legal relation to? Can those residents sue me for giving out said information about them? There are no instructions relating to this.

As far as I'm concerned, the only information that they are asking for that MIGHT help my community is "how many people reside here".
Asking race just pisses me off!
I'm a white male business owner, and as such I am the most discriminated against business owner BY the federal government!
Check the bidders sheet of ANY government bidders contract.
"Are you"...
Female owned?
Minority owned?
Small business? (under their guidelines)

If it makes no difference then why TF do they need to ask!

Sorry...I went OT...but it goes along the same reasonings.

Being the most discriminated against, are you telling me that the bulk of Gov't contracts go to Minority/Women owned businesses? We both know that's not true. If you really feel like you're missing out, you should just do wihat lots of other White owned businesses do and put the business in your wife's name :biggrin:

 

Being the most discriminated against, are you telling me that the bulk of Gov't contracts go to Minority/Women owned businesses? We both know that's not true. If you really feel like you're missing out, you should just do wihat lots of other White owned businesses do and put the business in your wife's name :biggrin:

I don't know...but I'd like to know.
That particular section of the bid sheet does not ask me if I'm a white male, so apparently that means nothing to them.
I checked out the recent post about the government (dept of education) accepting bids for shotguns....there was a link there somewhere that showed the info for 2 of the bidders that had sent a quote....one listed that they were minority owned...the other listed that the were female owned.
I assume that those bidders were familiar with how the system works, and apparently having that info in their profile at the very least "might" be a plus for them.
That's enough information for me to assume that I would be discriminated against as a bidder...all other things being equal.