[Stingray427]

Justice Department Announces New Rule to Address Stabilizing Braces, Accessories Used to Convert Pistols into Short-Barreled Rifles

Today, the Department of Justice announced it has submitted to the Federal Register the “Stabilizing Braces” Final Rule, which makes clear that when manufacturers, dealers, and individuals use stabilizing braces to convert pistols into rifles with a barrel of less than 16 inches, commonly...

www.justice.gov

 

[SkydivnShooter]

Boo

 

[Jarheade4]

Unfortunately they'll be plenty of people who either destroy them or go the NFA route.

 

[Agilmore01]

The brace isn't illegal, a brace that is installed on a pistol is illegal

 

[James Cooley]

Just removed mine and packed them away. Hoping the rules change after all the lawsuits start pouring in.

 

[Stingray427]

The brace isn't illegal, a brace that is installed on a pistol is illegal

It does say....attached to the firearm; or permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached; Personally I’ll just watch as the lawsuits and court battles rage and hope my donations to GOA and FPC help.

 

[Coosawjack]

Unenforceable BS!!

 

[Agilmore01]

There's conflicting info on this. The article attached says "Nothing in this rule bans stabilizing braces or the use of stabilizing braces on pistols." But the link in the attached article states what @Stingray47 says

 

[Stingray427]

There's conflicting info on this. The article attached says "Nothing in this rule bans stabilizing braces or the use of stabilizing braces on pistols." But the link in the attached article states what @Stingray47 says

What the tyrants mean by that is they aren’t banning them, just making you register them on the NFA with all your information same as if it was an SBR. It’s basically the start of their backdoor unconstitutional gun registry.

 

[Agilmore01]

What the tyrants mean by that is they aren’t banning them, just making you register them on the NFA with all your information same as if it was an SBR. It’s basically the start of their backdoor unconstitutional gun registry.

So for clarification, can I own a brace, uninstalled, and be legal, or not in compliance if not registered? Can I own one and keep it in my closet and be ok or will I get in trouble?

 

[ssteve79]

So what if you have built your own AR pistol, Is it legal or illegal with a stabilizing brace? The way it is worded, would make it legal if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Jarheade4]

It sure didn't stop retailers from selling them at the gun show this weekend. With the braces on them. While the local police walked around.

 

[SkydivnShooter]

The rule goes into effect on the date of publication in the Federal Register. The rule allows for a 120-day period for manufacturers, dealers, and individuals to register tax-free any existing NFA short-barreled rifles covered by the rule.

 

[Glen Price]

And, When or If it is filed, owners will have 5 options within 120 days; 1. E-File Form 1 with ATF with your weapon as an SBR for free, 2. Install a 16" barrel, 3. Remove the stock/arm brace and modify the weapon so it can not be re-installed, 4. Turn in your weapon to your local ATF(lol), 5. Destroy your firearm.
Personally I'm going to wait and see how the legal challenges turn out. I don't think they have pulled the carpet out from us yet so it's a good time to reach out to our elected officials.

 

[chastain11]

The rule goes into effect on the date of publication in the Federal Register. The rule allows for a 120-day period for manufacturers, dealers, and individuals to register tax-free any existing NFA short-barreled rifles covered by the rule.

And, When or If it is filed, owners will have 5 options within 120 days; 1. E-File Form 1 with ATF with your weapon as an SBR for free, 2. Install a 16" barrel, 3. Remove the stock/arm brace and modify the weapon so it can not be re-installed, 4. Turn in your weapon to your local ATF(lol), 5. Destroy your firearm.
Personally I'm going to wait and see how the legal challenges turn out. I don't think they have pulled the carpet out from us yet so it's a good time to reach out to our elected officials.

So what’s the consensus on this being the best route? A lot of folks go the NFA SBR route just to avoid any gray area and not have to be messed with in the future. Is it a registry? Yes, but…
So are Silencers/Suppressors as well as the small amount of privately owned FA guns out there. If it’s FREE and I keep what I have with no grief, I see no downside. Thoughts? What am I missing?

 

[Oldironsides]

The ATF and Biden think the 2nd Amendment is a privilege not a right it's time for these losers we have elected to represent us in Washington to get off there asses and do the job they were hired to do and quit worrying about some toilet paper they found at Joey's house that nothing will ever become of.

 

[9mmEverything]

Not sure if anyone else has said this, but with the non-specified definition of "surface area," could that apply to a buffer tube and, if so, does that make this a de facto prohibition on all firearms with a buffer tube? That's one heckuva back door to banning ARs, but I can see it.

 

[Stingray427]

So for clarification, can I own a brace, uninstalled, and be legal, or not in compliance if not registered? Can I own one and keep it in my closet and be ok or will I get in trouble?

permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached; that’s straight out of the rule. Personally I highly doubt they are gonna raid your house and search your closet though for no other reason.

 

[Stingray427]

So what’s the consensus on this being the best route? A lot of folks go the NFA SBR route just to avoid any gray area and not have to be messed with in the future. Is it a registry? Yes, but…
So are Silencers/Suppressors as well as the small amount of privately owned FA guns out there. If it’s FREE and I keep what I have with no grief, I see no downside. Thoughts? What am I missing?

If you have no problem with buying something that’s legal , then daddy government deciding in mid game to change the rules without going thru Congress and making a law like the constitution states then I guess register it. Funny though that Congress actually did decide on the $200 tax stamp fee in which the ATF also doesn’t have the authority to wave but it seems they think they can do whatever they want. Remember when you register it as an SBR, there are other rules that come along with it like having to ask prior permission to travel out of state with it. It’s also then illegal to carry in a vehicle loaded unlike a pistol. Another thought is do you really trust that they won’t change the rules again? Surely if you comply just one more time they will leave you alone right??

 

[Stingray427]

Not sure if anyone else has said this, but with the non-specified definition of "surface area," could that apply to a buffer tube and, if so, does that make this a de facto prohibition on all firearms with a buffer tube? That's one heckuva back door to banning ARs, but I can see it.

Your correct. The whole “surface area” thing is very subjective and left for interpretation.