Lower: San Tan Lower ($200) + FDE option
Bad Lever: San Tan does not accept, its and ambi lower, does not need a Bad Lever
LPK w/o FCG: Won't need most of the parts for a San tan
FDE Buttstock: Vltor A5 system, or Vltor A5 buffer and tube, your choice of rest of buffer parts and stocks.
Take down pins: YHM Ez pins
Trigger Guard: built into san tan lower
Grip: BCM Mod3
CH: BCH Mod4
Add a 45 or 60 deg selector to the list.

 

Aero Precision has what you need in Magpul FDE:

http://aeroprecisionusa.com/lower-receivers/ar15-stripped-lower-receiver-with-cerakote.html

 

I have an Aero lower and like it. No issues. But they specify semi auto for this lower. Since I'll be hopefully getting closer to full auto rate of fire, will it hold up? I was wondering if I need a billet lower to use with the Geissele?? Or do you think this Aero will do the job? Or do I even need to be concerned about getting a higher quality lower for the Geissele?

Ryan reccs. the Santan lower, but it's over $100 more. If I understand him correctly, I'm getting a few extra parts with the SanTan, so I'll save a few dollars on not having to get those extra parts.

 

Look at the Seekins parts, just check out all their parts they are top of the line and very cool.

Look at there bolt stop, mag button and other parts even if you do not plan on using their lower.

 

I second the vote for Seekins products.

 

Since I'll be hopefully getting closer to full auto rate of fire, will it hold up? I was wondering if I need a billet lower to use with the Geissele??

All the billet and forged lowers will hold up. You just don't want a Poly lower (except maybe the Cavarms).

 

What do you mean by "closer to full-auto rate of fire?" Are we talking mag dumps, slide fire or something? You can pull the trigger as fast as you humanly can and you won't get near full-auto rpm. Also, any decent forged lower can handle FA use. The only difference is a little metal added to the semi-only lowers to stop you from installing a sear pack. It can be milled out though. I don't buy lowers like that myself, but that's for different reasons...

 

The Seekins Billet is nice on its own but is inferior in every way to the San Tan, and also more expensive than the San Tan, so it would really make no since to go that route. The SanTan has nice flared magwell, so do the AXTS, Noveske, and Lancer, when I was looking I considered lowers that had flared magwells, otherwise I would have just bought a cheap forged lower.

 

Barnes makes great lowers. Plus you get NC flag on the front of the mag well. Halifax resolves b%$#hes, bang bang!

http://www.majorpandemic.com/2012/09/barnes-precision-machine-bpm-15-ar.html

Pins: http://www.carolinashootersclub.com...club.com/threads/165762-B-A-D-Takedown-and-Pivot-pins-(CSC-Exclusive-first-Look!)

 

Do I need to worry about which lower since the Geissele trigger says "small pin'???

 

The Seekins Billet is nice on its own but is inferior in every way to the San Tan, and also more expensive than the San Tan, so it would really make no since to go that route. The SanTan has nice flared magwell, so do the AXTS, Noveske, and Lancer, when I was looking I considered lowers that had flared magwells, otherwise I would have just bought a cheap forged lower.

inferior in every way to the San Tan

That is a bold statement....

Last Seekins I got was 200$

Care to point out every way Seekins is inferior in every way to the San Tan?
What problems you had with them? How many you owned?
Pictures of the problems that make it inferior in every way to the San Tan?

 

Do I need to worry about which lower since the Geissele trigger says "small pin'???

Only if you have an older colt lower.

 

inferior in every way to the San Tan

That is a bold statement....

Last Seekins I got was 200$

Care to point out every way Seekins is inferior in every way to the San Tan?
What problems you had with them? How many you owned?
Pictures of the problems that make it inferior in every way to the San Tan?

Its not a bold statement at all, the SanTan is second only to the AXTS among lowers. Maybe you don't know much about their SanTan I would guess? I'm sure a Seekins works fine that is not in question, it is a nice quality product on its own, its is just inferior in function to the Santan. Right now you can get a SanTan that is nicer (has more features, does more stuff, is better) for $199.

The Santan not only accepts ambi bolt and mag components, it comes with both preinstalled. On a Seekins you would have to add a $80 Norwin mag catch (assuming it fits) to get the same function, and the factory Santan setup (since it is machined to accept it) just works better. Santan has QD mounts with stops machined into the lower itself, with a Seekins to get the same you would have add a $45 endplate that extended length of pull and adds weight. The SanTan has a adjustment screw machined into lower that allows you take out trigger pretravel. The Santan accepts short throw safty levers an can be ordered at no cost can have markings that reflect that. The Santan can be ordered cerakoted, and can be ordered with aftermarket pins, triggers, and safeties installed. The Santan has a big flared magwell (like the AXTS, Lancer, and Noveske have) that allows you change out magazines faster.

 

Its not a bold statement at all, the SanTan is second only to the AXTS among lowers. Maybe you don't know much about their SanTan I would guess? I'm sure a Seekins works fine that is not in question, it is a nice quality product on its own, its is just inferior in function to the Santan. Right now you can get a SanTan that is nicer (has more features, does more stuff, is better) for $199.

The Santan not only accepts ambi bolt and mag components, it comes with both preinstalled. On a Seekins you would have to add a $80 Norwin mag catch (assuming it fits) to get the same function, and the factory Santan setup (since it is machined to accept it) just works better. Santan has QD mounts with stops machined into the lower itself, with a Seekins to get the same you would have add a $45 endplate that extended length of pull and adds weight. The SanTan has a adjustment screw machined into lower that allows you take out trigger pretravel. The Santan accepts short throw safty levers an can be ordered at no cost can have markings that reflect that. The Santan can be ordered cerakoted, and can be ordered with aftermarket pins, triggers, and safeties installed. The Santan has a big flared magwell (like the AXTS, Lancer, and Noveske have) that allows you change out magazines faster.

I see nothing that is inferior.

I see a lot of person opinions, some extras that I would not use, don't like, and see no use for on the lower. Does not say it is good or bad.

That does not make it inferior, just has some of the bling you like.
That is just opinion.

Who knows, may buy 2-3 just to play with. I tend to do that.
Never one time said one was better then the other, but to call one inferior due to it not coming the way I like it is BS.

How many seekings have you owned? Never had a problem changing mags in the flared magwells on the Seekins.

I thought you were going to come up with som hard facts about alloy, cracking, out of spec, and so on, that is inferior stuff..... Color and sling mount, that is bling...

 

I would go forged lower and upper and have at it. The rock river matching set from brownells is nice.

Some of the billet stuff looks cool but adds weight to areas that need to be light.

John

 

Funny I googled best billet lower, the very last person as what about SANTAN other then that nothing, most said Seekins..

As John points out, most is just bling, best to stick with function...
I will be the first to point out sometimes bling comes at a loss of function...
And as the OP pointed out, looking for good parts, that is wide open.....
Most my go to guns are almost all GI spec builds, then I have bling guns for fun....

http://forum.snipershide.com/sniper...ide-semi-auto-rifles/234867-opinions-best-billet-lower-most-features-etc-2.html

 

Not seeing the Rock River set on Brownells site.

 

I see nothing that is inferior.

I see a lot of person opinions, some extras that I would not use, don't like, and see no use for on the lower. Does not say it is good or bad.

That does not make it inferior, just has some of the bling you like.
That is just opinion.

Who knows, may buy 2-3 just to play with. I tend to do that.
Never one time said one was better then the other, but to call one inferior due to it not coming the way I like it is BS.

How many seekings have you owned? Never had a problem changing mags in the flared magwells on the Seekins.

I thought you were going to come up with som hard facts about alloy, cracking, out of spec, and so on, that is inferior stuff..... Color and sling mount, that is bling...

I'm not sure why you are getting worked up so much about it. Perhaps you didn't read the response. The Santan is better functionally than the Seekins. The lesser one is inferior, inferior does not mean one will fall apart. I don't think anyone that knew anything about ARs if presented with a Santan and Seekins at the same price would take the Seekins.

The functional difference between a $246 Billet Seekins and a $50 AR15Brick/Anderson is that Seekins has a ambi mag catch and a build in winter trigger guard, however the same mag catch could be installed in the regular lower, and a winter trigger guard is also easy to install, so you are basically paying for looks. The functional difference between a $199 SanTan and a $246 Billet Seekins is that the Santan is built to be ambidextrous and includes those parts designed for that purpose, has ambi sling mounts, a big flared magwell for faster reloads. There is real difference, it is a better lower.

The SanTan weights 9.4oz with the ambi parts installed, a regular stripped regular lower is 8.7oz. I think by the time you added a trigger guard and the bolt and mag parts to it that it would be very close, in any case there is not a weight concern.

 

I'm not sure why you are getting worked up so much about it. Perhaps you didn't read the response. The Santan is better functionally than the Seekins. The lesser one is inferior, inferior does not mean one will fall apart. I don't think anyone that knew anything about ARs if presented with a Santan and Seekins at the same price would take the Seekins.

The functional difference between a $246 Billet Seekins and a $50 AR15Brick/Anderson is that Seekins has a ambi mag catch and a build in winter trigger guard, however the same mag catch could be installed in the regular lower, and a winter trigger guard is also easy to install, so you are basically paying for looks. The functional difference between a $199 SanTan and a $246 Billet Seekins is that the Santan is built to be ambidextrous and includes those parts designed for that purpose, has ambi sling mounts, a big flared magwell for faster reloads. There is real difference, it is a better lower.

The SanTan weights 9.4oz with the ambi parts installed, a regular stripped regular lower is 8.7oz. I think by the time you added a trigger guard and the bolt and mag parts to it that it would be very close, in any case there is not a weight concern.

So you still have not answered the question, Perhaps you didn't read.

How many have you owned, shot or built as to Seekins, or is this just in your mind?

Not getting worked up, just don't like the fact you call out Seekins and say it is inferior.

 

So you still have not answered the question, Perhaps you didn't read.

How many have you owned, shot or built as to Seekins, or is this just in your mind?

Not getting worked up, just don't like the fact you call out Seekins and say it is inferior.

Ha ha.... I don't own one. I wouldn't buy one. I have handled one, I have shot one. It doesn't do anything than different than all my other lowers, it is not functionally different than the stripped lowers I paid $49-59 for. I'm generally the type of person that would no buy forged lowers, but when SanTan discounted their lowers (they used to be $399), I was willing to pay $199 for their lower, that has ambi parts already included that has a nice big flared magwell. A Seekins looks nice... it works, a improved, better lower is just cheaper now.

 

I Paid 199 For Mine Shipped.

Also price on an item does not always say one is better.
You must be a cool Aid type of guy.
I never thought much about Seekins then picked up 3, kind of like them but always open to try different fhings.
picked up 3 of the.Joe. Bob's billet lowers, at 89$ I think it was I like them also...
maybe I need to give the SanTan a try. It may prove to.be inferior with the added Dingle Berries. .

 

Its not a bold statement at all, the SanTan is second only to the AXTS among lowers. Maybe you don't know much about their SanTan I would guess? I'm sure a Seekins works fine that is not in question, it is a nice quality product on its own, its is just inferior in function to the Santan. Right now you can get a SanTan that is nicer (has more features, does more stuff, is better) for $199.

The Santan not only accepts ambi bolt and mag components, it comes with both preinstalled. On a Seekins you would have to add a $80 Norwin mag catch (assuming it fits) to get the same function, and the factory Santan setup (since it is machined to accept it) just works better. Santan has QD mounts with stops machined into the lower itself, with a Seekins to get the same you would have add a $45 endplate that extended length of pull and adds weight. The SanTan has a adjustment screw machined into lower that allows you take out trigger pretravel. The Santan accepts short throw safty levers an can be ordered at no cost can have markings that reflect that. The Santan can be ordered cerakoted, and can be ordered with aftermarket pins, triggers, and safeties installed. The Santan has a big flared magwell (like the AXTS, Lancer, and Noveske have) that allows you change out magazines faster.

The seekins billets can be had for $189 and contain the trigger pretravel adjustment you speak of and an adjustment for upper to lower fit, flared magwell and another list of nice features I don't have time to type right now. It sounds like you don't know much about Seekins billet lowers.

 

I have an Aero lower and like it. No issues. But they specify semi auto for this lower. Since I'll be hopefully getting closer to full auto rate of fire, will it hold up? I was wondering if I need a billet lower to use with the Geissele?? Or do you think this Aero will do the job? Or do I even need to be concerned about getting a higher quality lower for the Geissele?

The AP will hold up to anything that any other lower will, and likely more than most billet lowers. Why would you need a billet lower to use a Giessele? Not understanding that question. Geissele's have likely been installed in many more forged lowers than billet ones.

 

I'm sure I don't. I just thought it was curious that AP specifies it for semi auto.

 

OK. Still undecided on the lower. I do want FDE, for sure. But I've seen lowers in FDE with really nice finishes, and lowers that look like they were can spray painted from the facory. Which brands offer a nice FDE finish? That may help me decide.

I also need to order parts for whatever I get. I'll go with a typical RRA or DPMS LPK (without trigger group or grip) in black to use with the FDE lower. Brownells has one for $30. But does not include the buttstock, or buffer components. PSA has one that does include buttstock and buffer components for $60.

I'm particularly concerned about the buffer and buffer spring, since this lower will be used primarily for high rpm. Is a lighter spring and lighter weight buffer the way to go? Isn't that going to give me a higher rate of fire? But I do want to be careful not to have too much bolt bounce. Upper will be a 16" mid length BCM.

What grips do you guys like? There are a ton of those to choose from out there. It has to be available in FDE.