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By Dianne Gallagher
NBC Charlotte | WCNC.com
Posted: Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2012
Monroe

Kristina Lipka is still shaken up. The 28-year-old said when a truck full of armed men pulled up to her home Sunday, she first thought she was being robbed.

"I was trying to shut the door but by the time I got up to it they were coming at me," she said. Lipka claimed the men opened the door and came into her house. Her grandmother, Vera O'Bryan - who lives next door - heard the commotion and ran outside to help.

"It's not something that happens around here, especially in broad daylight. Men with guns, running around the house, in the back with a shotgun," said O'Bryan.

Lipka said the men were cursing and yelling. She said they told her to put her dog away or they would shoot it. They repeatedly questioned her on the whereabouts of a former friend, whom she claimed she hadn't seen in months. Lipka also insisted that friend never lived in her house.

Lipka said she asked the men several times who they were as they searched the house. Finally, she said one man answered.

"He said he was a federal agent, U.S. Marshal. Then he said the younger guy was a deputy with the Union County Sheriff's Department," said Lipka.

Her grandmother said one man was wearing a badge around his neck that said federal agent.

Lipka called the Union County Sheriff's Office after the men left her house. A deputy confirmed those men were not agents nor with his department. He told her they were bounty hunters for In and Out Bondsman in Charlotte.

NBC Charlotte did speak with In and Out Bondsman late Monday night. A woman with the company denied anyone misrepresented themselves as law enforcement. She said they told Lipka they were bondsmen and she let them into her home. The woman did admit that the police have questioned them about the incident, but said the bondsmen did nothing wrong.

The situation is currently being investigated by deputies. No charges have been presented at this time.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...-woman-says-bounty-hunters.html#storylink=cpy
 

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Somebodys gonna get shot
 

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Unfortunately if they are licensed bailbondsmen and are performing their duties castle doctrine is suspended and if you shoot them you are going to jail.

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Not at my house...

Of course, I don't (knowingly) associate with people that would be hunted by bondsmen anyway...but still...
Neither do I, but we all know how good these gung-ho types are at reading addresses. Is dyslexia a pre-req?

**** Please dont be offended if you have dyslexia. I wasnt making fun of u.
 

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Unfortunately if they are licensed bailbondsmen and are performing their duties castle doctrine is suspended and if you shoot them you are going to jail.

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Guess Im going to jail then.

Frankly thats horseshit IMO. Any idiot can go around waving a badge he bought on eBay claiming he's Dog the BH and of course it doesnt get sorted out till after the fact.
 

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I don't believe they have the right to just enter your home as the article suggests these guys did.
That is unclear but if they are on your property and you can reasonably determine they are law enforcement or bondsmen executing their duties castle no longer applies. That is right in the statute.

Now do they need a warrant or probable cause i have no idea. But once you know they are bondsmen you better not shoot.

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That is unclear but if they are on your property and you can reasonably determine they are law enforcement or bondsmen executing their duties castle no longer applies. That is right in the statute.

Now do they need a warrant or probable cause i have no idea. But once you know they are bondsmen you better not shoot.

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If I knew they were, and if they didnt come busting in, then we could talk. Them IDing themselves as such is key of course.

Do they have an ID card issued by the county or state?
 

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Don't people lock their doors?
 

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That is unclear but if they are on your property and you can reasonably determine they are law enforcement or bondsmen executing their duties castle no longer applies. That is right in the statute.
That is partially accurate... The portion of the doctrine that presumes you were automatically in fear for your life no longer applies, you would have to prove that you were in order to claim self defense. This would generally mean that the person with the badge was acting outside the scope of lawful enforcement activities. The standard "you were in fear for your life and shot to stop that threat" still applies, you just had better damn sure be able to prove it. Just because someone has a badge does not make it to where you have no self defense rights against them, it just makes the bar much higher to claim self defense, at least in NC. There have been court rulings in some states that say you cannot use lethal force against a LEO even if they are acting unlawfully.
 

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In many cases, a bail agent can kick them right in without a warrant, especially if they have reliable information that the person they are looking for is in the dwelling.
The only people I know that kick the door open and come running into houses are theives during a home invasion, theives frequently get shot.
 

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This weekend, I was out on my driveway and saw two guys down in the woods just on the other side of my property line. They were wearing camo but had fluorescent orange hats on. I got my binoculars to see if they were visibly armed. They were not. I figured they could be some hunters illegally hunting in the area. They seemed to be heading up my way. Fortunately, one of them spotted one of my "No Trespassing" signs and they both decided to stay on the other side of the stream. Turns out, they were training a Labrador.

Obviously I was not going to go all nuts and go grab a weapon. Actually, the only reason I have the signs out is to keep kids out of my woods because I don't want anyone to get hurt playing around on my property. Had they came on up the hill, knowing they were training their dog, I would have probably just struck up a conversation with them.

But if they were visibly armed............... different story all together.
 

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A group of armed men forced their way into that house? No sir not at my casa. I don't know about you Nc guys but that doesn't fly around here in Sc.
 
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