Even though you don't need a permit or CCW to buy at a dealer, they still run a background check. We as individuals cannot do these checks, so asking for a CCW is our way of vetting. I do not want to be responsible for selling a pistol to a felon. To me, just asking someone if they are legally allowed to buy a pistol is not good enough for me. Some people go as far as wanting to take a pic or make a copy of your ID and CCW. I don't require that, but I do want to see them. That way if there is any issues down the road, I can say I at least took somewhat precautions before selling. ATF does set up stings and try to make illegal purchases, so I don't want to be caught up in that mess.

 

You're co-mingling federal law with state law. Buying from an FFL requires a background check. State law requires you be a resident of NC and at least eighteen years of age.

 

A bill of sale stating the buyer is not a felon and can legally own a firearm releases you from all liability. So says local law enforcement.

 

I would consult a firearms attorney about that.

 

Everyone can set their own parameters when selling their own gun, as long as it's not illegal. Find someone who fits your requirements, but make extra sure before the meet up. I have made 2 verbal deals on the forum, and then after we set the date/time, they sprung the extra requirements on me that I wasn't ok with. One stuck to his guns and we canceled the deal. The other met in the middle and we completed the deal. The majority of the gun community is above reproach and will do anything to stay legal and not give the anti-gunners any reason to find fault. That's why many of us still want to see a CCW.

 

I agree with setting all the parameters before meeting in person. Maybe then both won’t have any surprises.

 

The majority of the gun community is above reproach
You put one right in the X ring. The concern over losing CCW is important. I read somewhere (please don't ask me where) that CCW holders were the most law-abiding group/ Far above cops, doctors, religious etc.

 

People can make their own requirements and if one doesn’t like it he can just move on.

 

The belief that a criminal is going to be honest about being legal to purchase any type of firearm is ridiculous, and irresponsible. If you don’t like the terms of a posting, mine included, move on. Now that said, it’s not difficult to forge any of docs that I ask for when selling a firearm, and I am no forgery expert, but it does help to potentially weed out scammers and less skilled criminals. Kind of like locking your doors when you leave the house. It’s going to stop the casual criminal, but if someone wants in bad enough, they will get in no matter how many safe guards are in place.

 

Get your CCW or meet at FFL. Problem solved without any whining.

 

1 - don't make the mistake of thinking that you no longer need a cwp - do the research, while technically you don't - be responsible. They still issue them - there is a reason.
2 - anyone can sell to whomever they want
3 - maybe the sellers should change their ads to read "responsible gun owner"?...

 

I sold a pistol and asked for the CCW or recent Permit to Purchase (when they Had it). That's my proof of doing what I could in the case that the weapon was used in a crime. Actually I knew the person was good, but can't be to safe to have a record even years down the line... Just my preference.

 

As it comes down to you being the seller, you have to go with what makes you feel comfortable with a sale. If the prospective buyer doesn't want to provide a CCW or make a transfer at an FFL, you can say thanks, but no thanks. I have been yelled at on this forum for requesting to see a CCW, I moved on and sold to someone else.

 

Yes, I do think that it will make a difference. The information from the CCW obtained by the seller may provide a lead to who the offender could very well be. If sometime later, possibly years, the handgun is used in a crime it could be important. The handgun will come back to the store that it was initially bought at (or transfered at that which the paperwork shows). From that point the buyer will be the next link in the possible chain. Having information from any personal sale will be helpful to the buyer, and CCW Permit information even more so. Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

 

As a person who posts the need for a ccw in my ads (and yet still gets asked if I’ll sell without one) it’s one more layer of “I did my due diligence” I can answer with if I am ever in the position of having some uncomfortable conversations with law enforcement about a gun I sold. Plus, we’re only talking about criminal charges and not civil liability. Like it or not we live in a litigious society and if I ever have to answer for a choice I made selling to someone I’d like to be able to say “well, the state/feds thought they were good to go as well…”
I have yet to develop the skill of being able to look at a person and tell for absolute certain if they’re lying to me, so I have to cover my tail with my next best option which is that permit. Not having one raises the question of “why not?” And that’s a whole lot of gray area I’d rather not have in a transaction that has any possibility of coming back on me.

 

I'm with the "require a CCW" group here. I do, unapologetically, when I post a gun on a forum. Like many of you, just want to be sure.

What bothers me most is the nastiness of those who don't have a CCW when they inquire. We're in NC (maybe SC), where there is a gun shop on every corner. Don't like my requirement? Buy from there. When someone is nasty about the need for the permit, it makes me think I've probably made the right decision in the first place.

 

What happens if GrassRoots succeeds on the 24th and you don't need a CCW? (Sure, I support the Second Amendment, except for...) Idon't think anybody has realized it but when you sell a firearm, large or small, to somebody on here you have their name, age, date of birth, home address and telephone number. You gave that info when you signed up. If a problem arises after a sale you just tell the inquiring officer and he can serve a subpoena on the forum.

 

So you think that not selling a gun to some stranger of unknown character (not saying good or bad, just unknown) somehow violates 2A? If the founders had thought that way, the Amendment would have included "thou shalt sell a gun to anyone who wants one." 2A is about the individual right to keep and bear arms, not about who must sell to whom. Someone not selling you a gun in a private transaction in no way violates your right to keep and bear arms, just that particular gun.

When you think about the character of the Founders think about whether they would, in a private transaction, sell to or buy from someone whose character they might question. My studies and reading over the decades doesn't support that they would.

The voluntary info given when joining a forum is neither checked nor verified. I don't reckon a nefarious individual would be completely honest when joining. No one checked my address or phone number when I signed up - did they yours?

 

https://www.carolinashootersclub.com/threads/all-sellers-here-dont-know-the-law.393848/#post-2894479

 

It has nothing to do with knowing or not knowing the law. There is no requirement to sell a gun to someone one doesn't want to sell a gun to. It can be that he doesn't like the color of your shirt, your haircut, the car you drive, or the tone of your voice.

As long as the seller puts in his post that he wants to see a CCW (so as not to waste the buyer's time), the law has nothing to do with it. Not wanting to sell a firearm to someone without a CCW is no different than not wanting to bake a cake for a couple whose morals he questions. Just get over it and buy from someone else.

In a capitalist society the market will decide. If a seller's restrictions eliminate some buyers, he might not make the sale and he'll lose out on the proceeds. Simple enough.

 

I added to link to offer another view point not start a peeing contest.

If you want to ccw that's fine. If you want to put it on consignment with a FFL that's fine.

There's other opinions.

 

I added to link to offer another view point not start a peeing contest.

If you want to ccw that's fine. If you want to put it on consignment with a FFL that's fine.

There's other opinions.

No offense intended. Just tossing in my 2-cents worth, probably without enough tact.

 

In case you haven’t heard

Biden administration announces plans to expand firearms background checks — CBS News

The Biden administration is finalizing plans to expand background check requirements in effort to close the "gun show loophole."

apple.news

 

Because of course they have...

 

Hers is what I get after posting my 5.7 for sale NCCHP required. And offer it to him without the threaded barrel for 800.00. Thoughts??

 

Sounds fishy. Most simply, why did he change his membership account after several deals?

I know I'm old, but 23, no permit, and awful grammar & punctuation just makes me pause. Anyone who frequents this forum knows about what a transfer costs.

Stick to your guns, pun intended.

 

Agreed. Not sure how much the transfer is (place in Denver does them for $20). If reasonable offer to pay whole transfer fee. If he balks, pass, that would for sure tell me it’s no bueno. It’s a whole 10 mins to do a 4473 and NICS. Heck I stand there and BS with a buyer or seller at least that long most deals so timing the issue…

 

PASS

 

If you want to sale privately without any government involvement Im pretty sure thats still completely legal. (Feel free to correct me if not) .......Go for it. If you want to sell through an FFL.....Go for it. If you want to sell and require a CCW.....Go for it. We all still have the freedom to practice sales of any kind within the law. Its still America........for now. Enjoy it while you can.

(My 2 cents)

 

You can still sell privately, with or without an FFL or ccw, as long as you don’t create an online ad or put ads up around town, or go to a gun show with an ad on your backpack. I believe where they will catch most people is through online advertising, especially armslist, fb marketplace, Reddit, and forums. The people who own and control the servers to these will be hit with a subpoena (not the forum admins) and the owner of the servers will deliver an IP address to the DOJ and they WILL FIND YOU and ruin your life. So it’s not worth it. Just put your guns on consignment from here on out. An FFL must create all online ads of any kind. The crime with anything like this is advertising, not just selling. It’s know as mens rea (criminal intent). If you post an ad offering to make and sell an RPG, even if you don’t actually make and sell it, you can still bear the full weight of the law. It’s called criminal intent.

 

Suit yourselves.

 

Good to see the Biden administration helping us out here. Especially with online/private gun sales accounting for, what..... .001% of crime commited with firearms? Well atlease we can still put all our guns in a safe without worrying about the government gaining access to THOSE guns..........oh wait.........My bad.

 

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