[herdogoats]

Just saw this today linked in another article and haven't seen it on here yet... thought you guys might want to have a read on what some "lawmakers" are aiming for (shoddy pun intended). The article includes a link to the original press article on the proposal in the text. Good luck with this. I don't think I'll be turning in my guns before hell freezes over... any of them. Regardless of whether or not something like this passes, they're my private property and anyone who comes to get them will be considered thieves and will be treated as such, just like if some crackhead wanted to take my sofa, my TV or my old Toyota MR2. Trouble is, I like my guns more than my sofa, TV or maybe even the MR2 so... like I said, good luck with this plan.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/12/26/feinstein-cuomo-admit-planning-australian-style-government-gun-buy-back/#axzz2GBo9YDbo

 

[NetJunkie]

I don't think Feinstein is dumb enough to overplay her hand like this. I see this is a bargaining chip. Go in big, let the AWB bill get cut down and this removed hoping that people will celebrate that as a "win". Can you imagine if this passed? Forget the actual logistics and backlash... Immediately there would be an injunction against it as the NRA and GOA fought it through the courts and it would end up at the Supreme Court. That isn't a quick process. During that we'd have mid-term elections and probably be getting close to the next election. Would be a Democrat suicide plan.

 

[JamesLFlowers]

I actually hope they push a bill with "confiscation". If its without market reimbursement, then the bill can easily be defeated in court under 4th Amendment grounds. Those grounds are easily argued with heavy case law to back it. If they do it with market reimbursement, where is our broke government going to come up with the money.

 

[FNG]

Rumor has it they were both recently made honorary members of the Charlotte Pistol and Rifle Club....

Feinstein says she may even run for the board (she'd be a shoe-in for Media Director)....

 

[drypowder]

I don't think Feinstein is dumb enough to overplay her hand like this. I see this is a bargaining chip. Go in big, let the AWB bill get cut down and this removed hoping that people will celebrate that as a "win".

'zactly. Then they can paint the NRA as uncompromising. As usual, their idea of a negotiation is you give up your rights while they give you something that they never had to begin with (i.e., a legitimate threat of confiscation).

 

[NetJunkie]

I actually hope they push a bill with "confiscation". If its without market reimbursement, then the bill can easily be defeated in court under 4th Amendment grounds. Those grounds are easily argued with heavy case law to back it. If they do it with market reimbursement, where is our broke government going to come up with the money.

Borrow more money from the Chinese to shut down about the only US manufacturing left....

 

[Gtownwrench]

Rumor has it they were both recently made honorary members of the Charlotte Pistol and Rifle Club....

Feinstein says she may even run for the board (she'd be a shoe-in for Media Director)....

 

[herdogoats]

I agree, it won't fly, but that's the high point they're aiming for... I've been saying they'll go for the sky and take whatever they can actually get. Which, if we have our way, will be jack squat frankly. I'm not willing to budge on any new gun laws, mental health database linked no gun-buy laws or any of it... this is just what the NAZI's did when they first got going. Research eugenics. Wrote about this in college extensively and this health care law we just got stuck with is similar to German laws of the time in many ways. Same for the gun control laws mirroring ours in many ways. Know your enemy. Some of the same companies that bankrolled Hitler are backing our last few presidents it seems financially as well. We all know the train tracks lead to camps... we can't let our rights keep slipping away or one day we'll be in the same boat the non-NAZI German folks were in the 40's. I know that seems like a stretch, even with things going down the crapper... but do you think the average German in 1935 thought things were going to end up like they did by 1945?? Nope, so the point is DO NOT be complacent, we have to fight this crap.

 

[StevePJC]

For every 1,000 people who say they will shoot it out with LE should they come to get their guns there is maybe 10 who would actually follow through. HOw many people would be killed on each side of that confrontation in this country should this actually take place.

Worth it if it protects the children right?

Jeez I hate politicians

 

[knifework]

The way I see it, we need to hope and pray that they do overreach like this. It will be the only way that we avoid some stupid lib-topia legislation.

 

[sheepdog120]

For every 1,000 people who say they will shoot it out with LE should they come to get their guns there is maybe 10 who would actually follow through. HOw many people would be killed on each side of that confrontation in this country should this actually take place.

Worth it if it protects the children right?

Jeez I hate politicians

And the other dicotomy of this mess, if the "shootouts" happen, how many people are goimg to wake up and realize that the Gov is going too far in taking our rights? Could be quite a few. Some of the stuff that I've been reading lately... scary stuff, but it looks like there's a hair trigger with people ready to fight for their beliefs.

 

[herdogoats]

Doing some math... say 1% didn't stand down when the door got kicked in. Say the 300 million + US firearms have only 100 million owners, so that's easily 1 million pissed off Americans shooting at "intruders." I don't think that would last very long, armchair QB's accounted for and all. Yes, makes no sense, would cause essentially an instant "civil war" situation, and would be a total nightmare. I certainly don't want it, and don't even expect it, but we best fight this tooth and nail so it doesn't ever happen... to us or our children! With the AR's and AK's flying off the shelves it would just be that much worse for a confiscation situation, but that's why we have to be vigilant. Something simple like this buying panic may have set back their plans to shoot for the moon here ya know? Thousands and thousands of fresh gun owners out there... or at least thousands of new AR owners and AK owners! I saw some of them in their PJ's showing off their new AR's in the Atlantic article today talking about all these crazy people getting guns for Christmas... gotta say, the pictures just warmed my heart .

 

[mekender]

would cause essentially an instant "civil war" situation

Make no mistake about it, that is EXACTLY what it would cause.

 

[Jrhendr2]

It would be a new revolution. Think of all the guns they dont have records for. It would be impossible.

 

[sheepdog120]

Make no mistake about it, that is EXACTLY what it would cause.

Doubt that many would wait in their houses for Police to come get them after the first few either. Like I said, scary stuff.

And let me be perfectly clear.... I don't want that. And I dont advocate it.

 

[tsconver]

First thing they will do is require all ffls to turn over their records so they can make a list. Wonder how many would comply versus suddenly having a small fire that destroys their a and d books.

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[backwoodsshooter]

Make no mistake about it, that is EXACTLY what it would cause.

That's what I was thinking also.

 

[herdogoats]

I agree... but I also understand many of our liberal North American friends seem to be of the opinion that we are a mob rule and if 51% want to kill the other 49% with paring knives then that's OK because majority opinion is all that matters. Disturbing as we live in a Republic and not a Democracy, and it seems someone is clearly confused.

Coordinate this, with the trial balloon confiscation in New Orleans after Katrina that I linked to a few days ago where there were 0 folks that resisted having their property stolen from them at gunpoint by armed thugs in nice clean uniforms and you've got a recipe for some politicians who are acting too big for their britches I believe is the correct term. No this definitely won't fly, but it obviously is something the hardcore left folks are throwing out there already, be it to smooth the bitter pill of whatever other legislation they'll actually ram through, or because this worked in Louisiana so well that they may actually go for broke. Nation is bankrupt (financially and morally), economy is in shambles... what wouldn't a little civil war cure ehh? Do not assume it isn't on the table right now, and there aren't military strategists that have briefed those directing policy about just such a situation and the possible outcomes. Again, I know this is a worst case scenario type deal, but they really are talking about forced buyback and saying it is on the table... that's PR talk for confiscation folks, when the buyback is mandatory.

Just wanted you guys to have a heads up on this... enjoying the conversation on it, thank you guys!

 

[sheepdog120]

I agree... but I also understand many of our liberal North American friends seem to be of the opinion that we are a mob rule and if 51% want to kill the other 49% with paring knives then that's OK because majority opinion is all that matters. Disturbing as we live in a Republic and not a Democracy, and it seems someone is clearly confused.

And only 3% of Colonists were actively involved in the American Revolution at any given time

 

[old confederate]

Thirteen posters and only 4 show to be NRA members. Larry