I think I'd be borrowing a reamer somewhere.

 

Try ammo with shorter bullets....like the Lightweight 29-36gr loads.

Problem with the CCI Subs is the bullet profile which also makes it hard to close the bolt on with my CZ452.

 

http://www.crickett.com/crickett_rifle_specs.php?osCsid=93or89vn1lie22ebsfv6aib883

clearly states ".22 short, long, or long rifle"

 

http://www.crickett.com/crickett_rifle_specs.php?osCsid=93or89vn1lie22ebsfv6aib883

clearly states ".22 short, long, or long rifle"

Well, it says a little more specifically:

Caliber: .22 Short, Long or Long Rifle standard or high velocity

I guess their other FAQ is wrong?

So, is mine defective or is the subsonic stuff that much different?

 

subsonic=standard veloity

see Wahoo's post above.

 

Yeah- hard to imagine a modern .22 rifle that's designed NOT to accept .22LR-

I almost bought one of those to play with(was onsale at a gun show)- seemed like neat little guns.

Then my daughter decided she liked my Buckmark rifle better than all the others she tried.... sigh.... now I need another buckmark rifle

 

subsonic=standard veloity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle#Variants

There are a variety of different types of .22 LR loads. They are often divided into four distinct categories, based on nominal velocity:

Subsonic, which also includes "target" or "match" loads, at nominal speeds below 1,100 ft/s (340 m/s).
Standard-velocity: 1,000-1,135 ft/s (300-346 m/s). Common velocities are around 1,125 ft/s (343 m/s).
High-velocity: 1,200-1,310 ft/s (370-400 m/s) per second.
Hyper-velocity, or Ultra-velocity: over 1,400 ft/s (430 m/s).

These CCIs are only 700fps or so. So maybe they're just odd. I'll Crickett tomorrow and ask.

But, looking at the 'net, I see other people have had the same complaint with .22LR.

 

CCI Subsonic has a bullet profile that poses a problem for some rifles/pistols due to its shape

 

We shoot about anything through our 22s...We shot Federal and Blazer while shooting the Cricket in LR. We never shot shorts or longs.

 

Mine (kids) shoots .22lr by the box.

 

I found this thread difficult to believe it being real.

 

The CCI subsonics have a shorter case to accommodate the heavier bullet. That and the bullet profile may be the reason for the issue.

I would also clean the chamber, just for grins.

 

My son's Crickett has no problem feeding/extracting 22lr.

 

My 7 year old must have some magical powers, he sure makes those steel plates sing with his shooting Federal .22 LR bulk! I don't think he knows how to miss. I've already tried to hire him to teach me how he does it, he just laughs. Rude kids.

 

No problems out my daughters Crickett.

C.S.

 

Federals are great in it. Winchesters and CCI not so much. Everything feeds fine in my Rem bolt .22, but the Crickett is very picky.

Thanks for the responses.

 

with the quantity of .22lr CCI Subsonics I've shot, this thread got me curious. I decided to get my calipers out.

Measuring all the rounds, length of exposed bullet (EL) to the casing and width at widest portion (W):

CCI Subsonic:
EL: .378"
W: .224"
OAL: .987"

CCI Standard Velocity:
EL: .400"
W: .224"
OAL: 1"

CCI Quiet 40gr LRN:
EL: .390"
W: .224"

CCI Tactical 40gr RN:
EL: .392"
W: .224"
OAL: 1"

(If your gun has problems with the CCI subs, it should have problems with ALL CCI ammo because of the similar dimensions and bullet profile)

American Eagle 38gr Copper HP (Made by Federal)
EL: .354"
W: .224"
OAL: .968"

Federal Champion 36gr HP
EL: .370"
W: .222"
OAL: .976"

The Federal ammo (except the American Eagle" is consistently .222" in diameter where all my other .22 is .224 which is normal.

The Federal Championrounds were the 2nd shortest and the skinniest by far and the AE rounds made by Federal were the shortest. Sounds like your chamber is out of spec or they make narrow chambers...any way for it to be reamed out?

 

No problems with the one I got my nephew! He's breaking the. 22 bank at my house!! He loves his!

 

with the quantity of .22lr CCI Subsonics I've shot, this thread got me curious. I decided to get my calipers out.

Measuring all the rounds, length of exposed bullet (EL) to the casing and width at widest portion (W):

CCI Subsonic:
EL: .378"
W: .224"
OAL: .987"

CCI Standard Velocity:
EL: .400"
W: .224"
OAL: 1"

CCI Quiet 40gr LRN:
EL: .390"
W: .224"

CCI Tactical 40gr RN:
EL: .392"
W: .224"
OAL: 1"

(If your gun has problems with the CCI subs, it should have problems with ALL CCI ammo because of the similar dimensions and bullet profile)

American Eagle 38gr Copper HP (Made by Federal)
EL: .354"
W: .224"
OAL: .968"

Federal Champion 36gr HP
EL: .370"
W: .222"
OAL: .976"

The Federal ammo (except the American Eagle" is consistently .222" in diameter where all my other .22 is .224 which is normal.

The Federal Championrounds were the 2nd shortest and the skinniest by far and the AE rounds made by Federal were the shortest. Sounds like your chamber is out of spec or they make narrow chambers...any way for it to be reamed out?

Problem with CCI Subs isn't the length or waist measurements. Its the thicker Ogive on their bullets which gives them a fatter tip area on the bullets....that's the part that makes them difficult to chamber in some guns.

 

For people who want to picture what Wahoo is saying:

If his rifle is giving him problems with an entire brand of ammo (CCI Subsonics, Standards, and Quiets are virtually identical aside from the tip of the bullet) and others aren't having problems...seems like the problem may be chamber specific to his rifle. The rounds that are working fine for him are significantly more narrow, from the waist, ogive and tip.

 

Problem with CCI Subs isn't the length or waist measurements. Its the thicker Ogive on their bullets which gives them a fatter tip area on the bullets....that's the part that makes them difficult to chamber in some guns.

Yes. He's right. No real reason to buy the subs and they often cause problems. Several of my guns have issues reliable feeding them while the CCI standards work fine. It's the profile of the bullet.

 

Also, there is no reason to buy CCI subsonics.... Even with suppressed guns. The CCI Standard is subsonic except when it's REALLY cold. Remember that the speed of sound varies by conditions. I shot some CCI Standards out of my M&P 15-22 w/ 16" barrel and Spectre suppressor the other day and none went super sonic. I don't bother buying the subs anymore..for the reason you found. Not everything likes the shape.

 

Also, there is no reason to buy CCI subsonics.... Even with suppressed guns. The CCI Standard is subsonic except when it's REALLY cold. Remember that the speed of sound varies by conditions. I shot some CCI Standards out of my M&P 15-22 w/ 16" barrel and Spectre suppressor the other day and none went super sonic. I don't bother buying the subs anymore..for the reason you found. Not everything likes the shape.

Forgive me for continuing to ask about this.

Are you using REGULAR CCI Subsonics or are you using the segmented subsonics?

My CCI Subsonic lead hollow points have less bulk, a more angled ogive (the shoulder to the tip is "pointier"), and less OAL than my CCI Standard Velocity lead round nose which has a very short, abrupt ogive and a wide, blunt tip compared to the Subsonic. I don't understand how you are having feeding problems with the subsonic and NOT the standard velocity.

Do you shoot suppressed .22s? The difference with the subsonics vs the standards is TONE of the round (and first round pop) when shot through suppressors, especially a micro can. The subsonics sound better than the standards, and BOTH sound better than the quiets.

 

Forgive me for continuing to ask about this.

Are you using REGULAR CCI Subsonics or are you using the segmented subsonics?

My CCI Subsonic lead hollow points have less bulk, a more angled ogive (the shoulder to the tip is "pointier"), and less OAL than my CCI Standard Velocity lead round nose which has a very short, abrupt ogive and a wide, blunt tip compared to the Subsonic. I don't understand how you are having feeding problems with the subsonic and NOT the standard velocity.

Do you shoot suppressed .22s? The difference with the subsonics vs the standards is TONE of the round (and first round pop) when shot through suppressors, especially a micro can. The subsonics sound better than the standards, and BOTH sound better than the quiets.

CCI Subsonics and Segmented Subsonics have the same shape. Only difference is the Segmented are plated and designed to break into 3 pieces.

CCI Subsonics

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/13...uct/1301163351/cci-ammunition-22-long-rifle-subsonic-40-grain-lead-hollow-point

CCI Segmented Subsonics

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/13...i-quik-shok-ammunition-22-long-rifle-subsonic-40-grain-plated-lead-hollow-point

CCI Standard Velocity

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/13...1143578/cci-standard-velocity-ammunition-22-long-rifle-40-grain-lead-round-nose

The driving band is higher up on the ogive of the bullet which makes them harder to chamber in some guns. Its that larger driving band which contributes to their accuracy I'm told. As for sound, FRP has more to do with the design of the silencer than the ammo being used. On paper the Subs are 1,050fps and SV's are 1,070fps which is why they sound the same. Not enough to make a difference hence the reason many silencer manufacturers use the SV's for sound testing.

I shot some CCI Quiets thru a CZ452 suppressed Saturday and while I wasn't impressed with the trajectory they were significantly more quiet than even Aguila SE Subs which are prob the quietest full power subs available. Quiets are listed at only 710fps hence the rainbow trajectory. If they are louder than Subs and Standards for you it may more do to design quirks of your silencer.

 

the CCI Quiet do seem just a bit more quiet than the CCI SV through my can when mounted on a bolt gun.