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CSC reviews the Colt AR-22 and the Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22

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Carolina Shooters Club Review/ overview of the Colt AR-22 and the Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22



This is not a "which gun is better" series, as we believe that as long as the firearm serves its intended purpose,there are pros and cons of each, so the ultimate decision needs to be made by the consumer, based on individual needs.

Purpose built .22LR training ARs have been around for a few years, and due to the recent issues with ammunition pricing/ supply, they have greatly increased in popularity, and more manufacturers are getting into the market, so there will likely be more to come.

This review encompasses two of the more popular rifles in today's market, the Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 and the Colt branded AR-22 (manufactured by Walther). Each of these rifles were purchased new at Best Firearms in Mocksville North Carolina, a CSC sponsor.

When purchasing one of these rifles, you need to ask yourself first and foremost what the intended purpose is. Are you looking for a training analog for your AR-15 to save on ammunition costs, or are you looking purely for a fun rifle to shoot? If purchasing for a smaller person or a child, the weight and ergonomics are always important considerations.

As useful training tools, these types of rifles have found acceptance in competitions and training circles normally reserved for more popular calibers such as .223/ 5.56 or 7.62 x 39. Frankie McRae, owner of PSR 37 and Raidon Tactics, a NC based training company, says "It's not the caliber of the tools we use but the tactics, techniques, and procedures that matter."

We took a Saturday afternoon and went to the Veterans Range in Mocksville to get some photos and put some rounds downrange. Putting the rifles side-by-side, the immediate difference you notice is that the S&W has a polymer upper and lower receiver, while the Colt is Aluminum.

Both rifles come with a quad rail for accessorizing direct from the factory. The Colt uses an alloy material and comes with rail covers, the S&W is a polymer and does not. The S&W includes bolt-on front and rear sights, while the Colt carries a traditional A2 style front sight with a bayonet lug/ sling mount, and a bolt-on dual aperture rear sight. Depending on how you purchase the rifle, the Smith & Wesson can be had with or without a flash hider, it is included on the Colt. To complete the package, both rifles have military style collapsible buttstocks with sling mounts.

If you are looking for a training analog, you will notice pretty quickly two obvious points about each rifle. The S&W has a traditional AR bolt catch, while the Colt does not. Colt decided to mold the shape of the bolt catch into the receiver, but it is purely non-functional. Conversely, the Smith & Wesson does not have a Forward Assist, while the Colt's is functional. The Colt also comes with a functional dust cover, while the S&W does not. Both rifles have traditional AR safeties, trigger groups, charging handles, mag releases, and pistol grips. If you need to change the trigger guard, the Smith and Wesson's is built into the lower receiver and is not removable.



With the basic platforms being what they are, both rifles can be modified with traditional AR accessories, and it is very easy to make your training rifle mimick its grown up counterpart. Several of our CSC members have their .22 variants mocked up exactly as their .223 versions, and visually it is hard to tell them apart.

The magazines for each rifle come in different capacities and will fit your standard AR mag pouches. The S&W we tested came with a 25 round magazine, and the Colt came with a 30 round mag, which is slightly longer than a regular 30 round GI mag.


Like most things, the rifle that works best for you is going to be the one that has the functions that you care about the most. The S&W is roughly half a pound lighter and has a bolt catch, the Colt has more heft thanks to the aluminum, and 'feels' more like a traditional AR.

Performance-wise, these are both .22LR rimfire rifles. They are light, fun, and easy to hold on target because of the lack of recoil. It is important to note, however, that these are not toys. Don't discount these as viable self-defense rifles, as there is a lot to be said for being able to put 30 rounds into a fist sized group under rapid fire.

In our two hours of testing and approximately 250 rounds through each rifle, we had 3 stove pipes from the Smith & Wesson, and one Failure to Fire on the Colt. Both of these were likely common ammo-related issues with just about any .22. We will further evaluate/ troubleshoot the issues with a more scientific process of ammo/ magazine selection in a future review. Everyone should train and practice failure corrections with any firearm as a matter of course.


Specifications (from individual mfr. websites)

Colt:

Weight w/out Mag: 5.9 lbs
Overall Length: 31.1-34.4 in
Barrel Length: 16.2 in
Barrel Twist: 1 in 13-3/4 in
Grooves: 6
Operation: Blowback
Muzzle Thread: M8x.75mm

S&W

Barrel: 1 in 16″ twist, carbon steel
Barrel Length: 16″
Overall Length: 30.5-33.75″ extended
Weight: 5.5 pounds unloaded
Action: Semi-automatic
Finish: Matte black
Capacity: 25+1

This first chapter of this review series is to simply review the features and get some break-in time on the two rifles. The next chapter will cover accuracy and further explore ammo selection and reliability.

DISCLAIMER: CSC *firmly* believes in following all safety rules and firearms handling precautions. Any photos taken from in front of the muzzle were taken with a tripod and remote control on the camera. Photo credits to Carolina Shooters Club staff, reproduction without permission for commercial purposes are strictly forbidden.
 

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my S&W is reliable, light and easy to shoot. It is just like the one in the picture. Have shot probably ~400 rounds in the last week or so and havent had any of the issues that it did when it was new, namely stove pipes and the jam like you showed in the picture. Very reliable. Still havent cleaned it and probably wont for a while.
 
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Cool.
I've shot both and definitely prefer one over the other...
While I haven't shot the 15-22, I owned the Colt for about a year and from all accounts I had one of the few great ones. Mine shot well, after adjusting it per the manual. The mags are pretty large, but they work. My issue was the pure crap build quality. It felt like a toy, was a gun inside of a shell, had a self contained trigger pack vs std lower parts, trigger was rough and gritty, trigger pack was not supposed to be disassembled, gun can't be thoroughly cleaned, had a thin barrel sleeve inside the M4 "cover", the receivers felt like pot metal, and there are better options out there.

I've since had a custom SBR upper built which works like a top, and plan to buy a 15-22 in the near future.

ETA: I realized I have a pic of when I cleaned up the trigger. Trigger pack internals.
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My issue was the pure crap build quality. It felt like a toy, was a gun inside of a shell, had a self contained trigger pack vs std lower parts, trigger was rough and gritty, trigger pack was not supposed to be disassembled, gun can't be thoroughly cleaned, had a thin barrel sleeve inside the M4 "cover", the receivers felt like pot metal, and there are better options out there.
I second this review. I had one of the "colt" walther m4 simulations and I agree with everything said here. Mine functioned perfectly when adjusted for the ammo, but internally, it looked like someone had built it out of stray pepsi cans melted down and stamped into the cheapest possible configuration. From the fake mag release to the fake barrel, to the fake trigger to everything else - everything was built extra cheap cheap cheap. I would say that everything just reeked of Jiminez-Jennings-Bryco level build quality, but I wouldn't want to insult the Jiminez line.

I would be VERY interested in seeing a side-by-side field strip of these two firearms. I've wondered about the S&W from time to time.
 
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The primary reason I went with a M&P 15-22 vs the Colt was the fact that many of the standard AR parts (such as a trigger group, hand guard, stocks, etc) will swap out on the M&P. That cannot be said about the Colt.

I would have preferred a dedicated 22LR upper but given the cost for the brand I wanted, it was cheaper to just buy the M&P. I don't regret it one bit.
 
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I second this review. I had one of the "colt" walther m4 simulations and I agree with everything said here. Mine functioned perfectly when adjusted for the ammo, but internally, it looked like someone had built it out of stray pepsi cans melted down and stamped into the cheapest possible configuration. From the fake mag release to the fake barrel, to the fake trigger to everything else - everything was built extra cheap cheap cheap. I would say that everything just reeked of Jiminez-Jennings-Bryco level build quality, but I wouldn't want to insult the Jiminez line.

I would be VERY interested in seeing a side-by-side field strip of these two firearms. I've wondered about the S&W from time to time.
we'll do a few thousand more rounds and do a good tear down/ clean up on them.
 
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The primary reason I went with a M&P 15-22 vs the Colt was the fact that many of the standard AR parts (such as a trigger group, hand guard, stocks, etc) will swap out on the M&P. That cannot be said about the Colt.
Yep.

You're not doing this with the Colt:
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Upgraded with standard AR parts:
-Geissele S3G trigger
-Midwest Industries Gen2 SS handguard
-Ergogrip
-Troy Battleaxe stock
 
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Great honest review. The 416 trigger pack is almost exactly the same as the Colt( they fixed the safety, and made it where you can engage it while uncocked). Let me know if you want to review the Umarex 416 and CMMG . I love the review though, this needs to be a regular thing. Maybe we can talk manufacturers to send them to you to review....
 
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please feel free to share, we're all here to learn/ share experiences
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I prefer the M&P for a wide variety of reasons. It's accuracy is phenomenal for one.

I thought about a dedicated 22lr upper before I bought the 15-22. After extensive research, a large majority of knowledgeable folks opine that no matter how well the upper is made, it can never achieve the potential accuracy of a dedicated rifle. Plus, the cost of a good 22lr upper puts you at 2/3rds the price of a whole rifle.
 
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Great honest review. The 416 trigger pack is almost exactly the same as the Colt( they fixed the safety, and made it where you can engage it while uncocked). Let me know if you want to review the Umarex 416 and CMMG . I love the review though, this needs to be a regular thing. Maybe we can talk manufacturers to send them to you to review....
thanks for the feedback. We're going to be doing a lot more review work. Its the 'right' thing to do, and not everyone wants/ needs an engineering analysis vs. a 'will this work for what I'm buying it for' type of review. We've got some test guns lined up, and even if these reviews have been done before, there are plenty of new folks in the hobby that haven't seen/ heard of some of these products, and a two year old review might not be up to date, because of production changes, etc. Once we get in the groove of this, we will hopefully be able to announce when/ where we are bringing the guns and get them in the hands of as many CSCers as possible for feedback.
 
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Throw in the sig 522 its in the atmosphere compared to both of these offerings, better made, more accurate etc etc. No it cant be mall ninja extreme but tic for tac there is no comparison. IMHO the smith is a plasicy POS for the money and the Walther offerings are better outside and airsoft inside. Have had and shot them all and the sig wins by a long shot especially with the quick change optional target bull barrel. Just my 2 pennies
 
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Throw in the sig 522 its in the atmosphere compared to both of these offerings, better made, more accurate etc etc. No it cant be mall ninja extreme but tic for tac there is no comparison. IMHO the smith is a plasicy POS for the money and the Walther offerings are better outside and airsoft inside. Have had and shot them all and the sig wins by a long shot especially with the quick change optional target bull barrel. Just my 2 pennies
Don't want the Sig unless you show me it shoots less than 2" groups at 50 yards offhanded with the iron sights.
I think that's pretty good for a plasicy POS.
 
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Throw in the sig 522 its in the atmosphere compared to both of these offerings, better made, more accurate etc etc. No it cant be mall ninja extreme but tic for tac there is no comparison. IMHO the smith is a plasicy POS for the money and the Walther offerings are better outside and airsoft inside. Have had and shot them all and the sig wins by a long shot especially with the quick change optional target bull barrel. Just my 2 pennies
I agree completely. I would put my Sig 522 SWAT against any other "tactical 22" in all categories. The build quality is second to none, accuracy is outstanding, and reliability is no question. It also uses the exact same magazines as AR-15 22 conversions in case you have one of them too.
 
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Ehhh... CMMG uppers are $350+/-, and I had a custom upper built (w custom made barrel, troy alpha hg, chrome cmmg kit fitted/tuned for choice of ammo) for $540 OTD. Sure the custom upper is more but customs always are.
Perhaps I wasn't looking in the right place?

Here's are some CMMG uppers I found:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...ceivers/upper-receiver-complete-22lr-16-ss-action-sku100007277-43834-80491.aspx
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...ers/upper-receiver-complete-sierra-22lr-16-no-fsb-sku100007276-43826-80490.aspx
http://www.cmmginc.com/product_p/22b1c50.htm
http://www.cmmginc.com/product_p/22b8f26.htm
http://www.cmmginc.com/product_p/22b6a72.htm
http://www.cmmginc.com/product_p/22b3035.htm

The cheapest of these is $450