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The disgusting, imitation food that McDonalds foists on the public is more than enough reason to avoid the places as it is.........another reason to avoid those joints is not necessary, to me at least....
We welcome legal CCW's at Chick-fil-a in Burlington. Drop in some time if you are in the area and say hello.
Steve
Steve
Ahhhh...emailed fired off....here is the contact information I found for them if anyone else is interested in contacting..... http://www.dixonfoods.com/contact.php
Do to your position to consider all holders of a NC Concealed Carry Permit as guilty due to one person's uncontrollable actions, I will no longer be able to justify any visits to any of your establishments.
NC Concealed Carry Permit holders go through extensive training, background checks, finger printing, and must be certified by the local Sherriff to be both mentally stable and not have any pending or past convictions or charges against them.
While the actions of each single permit holder cannot be controlled, your recent stand to post your restaurants as "no concealed carry" establishments effectively takes away my right to protect my family as well as myself and due to your choice, I will not risk that safety by visiting your establishment any further. Your choice to change your policy effectively give NON law abiding citizens a free notice that your establishment is now, for the most part, unprotected in any way and that their criminal actions will have no immediate repercussions. While we, as LAWFUL concealed carry permit holders, are NOT in any way any type of law enforcement, our permit status does allow us to protect ourselves and our loved ones and should someone else's life be endangered, there are certain provisions that would protect that as well.
Here is the information that I am referencing so you will be aware of the reason I have written this email.
"Dixon Food Groups, which owns several Eastern NC McDonalds, has recently posted "No Concealed Carry" signs on all of their McDonalds.
Curiously enough they specifically state "concealed" which would allow open carry. I spoke to their Director of Ops and he said it was a result of one isolated incident where a concealed carry permit holder, according to the guy who caused the incident, made some threatening comments and the gun was visible. I did advise the Director that if this guy was threatening with the gun that NC has a law called "armed to the terror of the public". Which could get him arrested and prosecuted.
Dixon Foods
1-252-291-0886 "
Respectfully,
Do to your position to consider all holders of a NC Concealed Carry Permit as guilty due to one person's uncontrollable actions, I will no longer be able to justify any visits to any of your establishments.
NC Concealed Carry Permit holders go through extensive training, background checks, finger printing, and must be certified by the local Sherriff to be both mentally stable and not have any pending or past convictions or charges against them.
While the actions of each single permit holder cannot be controlled, your recent stand to post your restaurants as "no concealed carry" establishments effectively takes away my right to protect my family as well as myself and due to your choice, I will not risk that safety by visiting your establishment any further. Your choice to change your policy effectively give NON law abiding citizens a free notice that your establishment is now, for the most part, unprotected in any way and that their criminal actions will have no immediate repercussions. While we, as LAWFUL concealed carry permit holders, are NOT in any way any type of law enforcement, our permit status does allow us to protect ourselves and our loved ones and should someone else's life be endangered, there are certain provisions that would protect that as well.
Here is the information that I am referencing so you will be aware of the reason I have written this email.
"Dixon Food Groups, which owns several Eastern NC McDonalds, has recently posted "No Concealed Carry" signs on all of their McDonalds.
Curiously enough they specifically state "concealed" which would allow open carry. I spoke to their Director of Ops and he said it was a result of one isolated incident where a concealed carry permit holder, according to the guy who caused the incident, made some threatening comments and the gun was visible. I did advise the Director that if this guy was threatening with the gun that NC has a law called "armed to the terror of the public". Which could get him arrested and prosecuted.
Dixon Foods
1-252-291-0886 "
Respectfully,
I hate to say it but I do from time to time like there food...mostly for the convenience / the $ menu. Here are there locations FYI
http://www.dixonfoods.com/locations.php
http://www.dixonfoods.com/locations.php
In the early 80's a man in southern california entered a McDonalds with an UZI,Shotgun and a Browning highpower pistol. He murdered 22 men women and children and wounded many more. He was killed by a police sniper but his rampage had done its damage. I am sure that the local McDonalds folks know nothing about this incident. The victims and survivors sued Mcdonalds for lack of protection all of the cases were thrown out of court and McDonalds never paid out a dime to the victims or to the families Had there been armed citizens inside this McDonalds the outcome may have been different. But no the wolf won and the sheep lost again.
That's all the reason I need to stay away from that place. Between their sheep like mentality and contributions to the obesity issues in America. McDonald's obviously wants to breed larger targets.
However, an expanding waist line does offer more belt surface to carry more guns...
Chick Fil A rocks!!!! I always go there. Screw McD's
However, an expanding waist line does offer more belt surface to carry more guns...
Chick Fil A rocks!!!! I always go there. Screw McD's
Sadly that's true...places where you may need them the most often don't allow you to carry. People carry to be protected from massacure-type incidents.
Here's a wiki link regarding the massacure in Southern California in 1984:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Oliver_Huberty
You are right. McDonalds causes Americans to be fat. And guns are the reason criminals kill people. It has nothing to do with the people who choose to eat the food...or shoot the guns. :001_rolleyes:
McDonalds list the nutrition info on their products now days too, they don't have an excuse for eating 1000+ calories for lunch. I do it every once in awhile, but try to severely limit such things.
email sent!
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I attempted to visit one of your McDonald's franchises today but was turned away by your "No Concealed Weapons" sign. I respect your rights as a property owner/lease holder and will not visit again. I just wanted to let you know a little bit about who you've decided not to do business with.
In North Carolina, every Concealed Handgun Permit holder that you turn away...
- Has passed a Federal and State Criminal Background Check.
- Has been vetted and approved by the Sheriff.
- Is not a Felon.
- Has never been convicted of misdemeanor violent crime or domestic abuse.
- Has attended and passed a course mandated by the state covering the responsibilities and legalities of concealed carry.
- Has passed a proficiency test in the use of their firearm.
Can you say the same for your other patrons? Do you know which customer is a convicted child molester, rapist, or thief? If your patron is a Concealed Handgun Permitee, you can be assured h/she is not.
Of course it would be wonderful if an armed robber saw your "No Concealed Weapons" sign and decided to move on to the next victim, but do you really expect criminals to be deterred by a sign? Your sign only serves to turn away those who care about law, order and civil rights (your right to choose whom to do business with and my right to self-defense).
Best Regards,
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I attempted to visit one of your McDonald's franchises today but was turned away by your "No Concealed Weapons" sign. I respect your rights as a property owner/lease holder and will not visit again. I just wanted to let you know a little bit about who you've decided not to do business with.
In North Carolina, every Concealed Handgun Permit holder that you turn away...
- Has passed a Federal and State Criminal Background Check.
- Has been vetted and approved by the Sheriff.
- Is not a Felon.
- Has never been convicted of misdemeanor violent crime or domestic abuse.
- Has attended and passed a course mandated by the state covering the responsibilities and legalities of concealed carry.
- Has passed a proficiency test in the use of their firearm.
Can you say the same for your other patrons? Do you know which customer is a convicted child molester, rapist, or thief? If your patron is a Concealed Handgun Permitee, you can be assured h/she is not.
Of course it would be wonderful if an armed robber saw your "No Concealed Weapons" sign and decided to move on to the next victim, but do you really expect criminals to be deterred by a sign? Your sign only serves to turn away those who care about law, order and civil rights (your right to choose whom to do business with and my right to self-defense).
Best Regards,
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Send them an email thanking them for not having a metal detector staffed by police at all entrances.
Their sign is feel-good nonsense. If you let it affect your life then you're kind of a weirdo.
Their sign is feel-good nonsense. If you let it affect your life then you're kind of a weirdo.
So, you're saying what? Walk on in, keep it covered? Until every store and business has a sign and a staffed metal detector at the door barring anyone with a firearm from entering the establishment, we'll just ignore the law? Where are you going with this?
Because I have a concealed carry permit and wish to make it known to the businesses that I enter, that I disagree with their attitude towards concealed weapons, I'm a weirdo? What's weird about wanting to voice an opinion on something that I disagree with? Stepping on my second amendment right is a little weird in my opinion.
I guess its weird to be an American where the freedom to have differing opinions and voice them sets us apart from other countries...:001_unsure:
McDonald's.....another addition to CPZs (criminal protection zones). I don't like their food either but in traveling throughout eastern NC, stopping at McD's or other burger joints for a pit stop or eating something quick to keep me alive, is almost a necessity sometimes.
I'm e-mailing Dixon Foods just on the general principle of the thing.
I'm e-mailing Dixon Foods just on the general principle of the thing.
It's very weird to wax poetic about American ideals while simultaneously letting a clown that serves cookie-cutter hamburgers keep you from exercising specifically enumerated Civil Rights.
"I was going to be an American but there was a sign on the door at McDonald's!"
Okay, I sent an email, though I don't eat their crap and haven't been in one(except to pee) in close to 10 years.
Email sent:
To whom it may concern:
I see that you have decided to post your restaurants against allowing concealed carrry of firearms. Do you realize who you have decided to bar from your restaurants? Concealed carry permit holders in NC must pass the following:
Federal background check
State background check
Mental Health background check
Physical OK from Medical Doctor
Obtain State mandated legal training on Conceal Carry and pass written test
Pass State mandated firearms proficiency test
Have no felony convictions
Have no violent misdemeanor convictions
Have no domestic violence convictions
Have no child abuse or molestation convictions
Get final approval and issue of permit from local Sheriff
I'm sure that a great number of your patrons entering your establishment daily would not qualify to enter if meeting the above qualifications were a necessity to patronize your restaurants. However, concealed carry permit holders are required to meet the above qualifications and as you can see, those you choose to bar from your restaurants are law abiding citizens who have passed these rigorous criteria for obtaining a permit. I cannot fathom why you would wish to bar upstanding citizens with no criminal history from your restaurant!
I happen to be one of those law abiding citizens and therefore, can no longer enter your establishments. What you have done is to open the door to non-law abiding citizens to enter into your establishments at will and create whatever violence they wish with no fear of being met by someone who is armed for the self defense of themselves, their families and perhaps other innocent patrons of your establishments. Personally, living in a society where almost weekly some psychopath carries out violence against America's citizens, it gives me some comfort to know that in our midst and unbeknownst to most, are LAW ABIDING citizens who are armed and in our retail establishments and restaurants and in a position to perhaps do SOMETHING if the unthinkable happens.
I would encourage you to re-examine the logic behind your decision.
Sincerely,
Email sent:
To whom it may concern:
I see that you have decided to post your restaurants against allowing concealed carrry of firearms. Do you realize who you have decided to bar from your restaurants? Concealed carry permit holders in NC must pass the following:
Federal background check
State background check
Mental Health background check
Physical OK from Medical Doctor
Obtain State mandated legal training on Conceal Carry and pass written test
Pass State mandated firearms proficiency test
Have no felony convictions
Have no violent misdemeanor convictions
Have no domestic violence convictions
Have no child abuse or molestation convictions
Get final approval and issue of permit from local Sheriff
I'm sure that a great number of your patrons entering your establishment daily would not qualify to enter if meeting the above qualifications were a necessity to patronize your restaurants. However, concealed carry permit holders are required to meet the above qualifications and as you can see, those you choose to bar from your restaurants are law abiding citizens who have passed these rigorous criteria for obtaining a permit. I cannot fathom why you would wish to bar upstanding citizens with no criminal history from your restaurant!
I happen to be one of those law abiding citizens and therefore, can no longer enter your establishments. What you have done is to open the door to non-law abiding citizens to enter into your establishments at will and create whatever violence they wish with no fear of being met by someone who is armed for the self defense of themselves, their families and perhaps other innocent patrons of your establishments. Personally, living in a society where almost weekly some psychopath carries out violence against America's citizens, it gives me some comfort to know that in our midst and unbeknownst to most, are LAW ABIDING citizens who are armed and in our retail establishments and restaurants and in a position to perhaps do SOMETHING if the unthinkable happens.
I would encourage you to re-examine the logic behind your decision.
Sincerely,
The interesting thing is that when "the news" broke the story about Trijicon having surreptitious references to Jesus on their Military contract ACOGs (for the US and other countries) there were a lot of people crying "IT IS A PRIVATE COMPANY!!!! LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT!!!! I AM TIRED OF WHINERS COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT A COMPANY DOES!!!!"
Now here we sit, not even a day later. If the company policy of McDonald's, or the arbitrary policy of the local franchise referenced here, affects your life at all then I really don't know what to say beyond "That's weird."
It is unfortunate that the McDonald's of this story would do this. They clearly don't have an understanding of what they ask. Will you actually stop carrying a gun if you go to that McDonald's? Will you stage a one-man protest that will have zero impact on the store? Will you call the news and hope to get 10 seconds of acknowledgment on your local, obscure news station that will instantly be forgotten by everyone that sees it?
Maybe that store will change their policy. Maybe they won't. But does it affect your life at all either way?
Me personally, no it won't affect my life insofar as McDonalds itself is concerned. I don't go in them anyway and besides, I'm on the Western end of the state. But it could potentially eventually affect my life. Suppose Chick-fil-a, Hardees, Wendys etc say, "Hey look, McDonalds has posted against concealed carry." Then let's add Lowes, Homedepot, WalMart etc etc. The point isn't whether I can go in McDonalds or not. The point is to illustrate to McDonalds (and any other business) just who it is they are barring from their business with their nonsense policies. I suppose the larger point is to be an advocate for concealed carry in NC with the hopes of someday easing current restrictions. That has to start somewhere and starting by educating ignorance is, well at least doing something. Being apathetic because it doesn't directly affect me is not an answer IMO. It affects other carriers, kindred spirits if you will, and I don't think sending an email is "being weird".
All this assumes that the person in question was a legal CCW holder and not just another thug on the street.
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