[Ryan S.]

I've been reading this thread:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/434650_Ryan_s_Ultimate_Flashlight_Form_1_Suppressor_thread.html

And it discusses quite a few Form 1 flashlight can options; some meant for .22 or subsonic rounds only, and others much sturdier.

Pretty interesting stuff IMO.

This is my thread. If you need advise on anything let me know. Basically there is nothing SD Tactical has that you should be using as there are generally better options for everything.

HP468's statements on the process are what I agree with as most correct, most acceptable way to do it, but just to note no one as every got in trouble as far as I know with the more typical approach BigWaylon suggested.

I ran the 22lr cans today, here are the vids:

GSG 1911-22
LINK:

AR-15 22LR
LINK:

The two best options for the centerfire tube are what I developed with Chris of Diversified Machine, those are 1.5 1.375 SS tube and the 1.625 1.485 titanium tube. On the 1.5 1.375 SS can there are off the shelf VRs for those, off the shelf 1.375 Ti tube for spacers. You can literally put it together in 30 minutes or so. The Ti tube you can do the same if you bore the ID to 1.502", which can be done for another $25, otherwise you fit VRs or whatever and turn down 1.5" tube to fit ($15). The adapters can now be made with threads that will allow them to fit on Griffin Taper mount brakes.

 

[Ryan S.]

I don't buy that explanation. These aren't silencer parts until there's a bore drilled in them. Solvent traps aren't illegal.

Again...the "intent" doesn't matter. Tubes, threaded end caps, freeze plugs, etc, are not suppressor parts by themselves.

It is correct that you cannot have "spares". You can't make extra baffles just in case you have a baffle strike.

Let me start by saying your way is extremely unlikely to get you into trouble, like I don't think it has every gotten anyone in trouble at all. On silencertalk a lot of the discussion is driven by NC recorer, and they have a VERY overly conservative approach to this. For example they would suggest that you need to start with something like a 2ft section of pipe, because if you had a 8" section cut at Grangier, etc that would be a silencer part, and generally they would say you have to build everything from metal stock, like tubes and bar, because if you bought a freeze plug at Napa you would intenting to use it in your silencer and that would make it a silencer part. HP468's assessment gets around that argument correctly, you already have a legal to own solvent trap or freeze plug and when file form 1 then you can re-purpose that part. Again you are likely OK either way.

 

[Ryan S.]

I think they sounded great..

Thanks, means a lot since your 22 cans have been so nice.

 

[Ryan S.]

No what is being said is do not buy the parts until the Form 1 is approved.

I am not disagreeing with you, but it is kind of the opposite in reference to the opinions of some on sliencer talk that HP468 was referencing, which is what your reply was in reference to.

More specifically here are some of the basic arguments:

1) It is illegal to buy flashlites, freeze plugs, washers, retainers, etc if when you are purchasing them you are intending to use them as silencer part ever. If you already had a freeze plug at your house and then then later decided to build a can you could use them then, but you could not could purchase them after you have that "intent" as the use.

2) Given #1, and because it centers on "intent", it is of some people's further opinion that if you buy that same freeze plug prior to having a completed form 1 you are OK since it is certainly a legal item to own that is sold over the counter everywhere. If you have a form 1 approved already and buy the same freeze plugs it they think it shows you have a obvious and provable intent to use that part as a silencer part.

The same person doesn't think SOTs can sell parts to Form 1 builds (but I have quoted out a monocore from SOTs) or that you can have parts machined locally while you are with the parts (which is generally well established elsewhere).

I think what everyone agrees on is to not drill or form that freeze plug prior to have a completed form 1. That is why I would never clarify when I bought the freeze plugs, just that I have a form1 and freeze plugs currently and started working on the project after approval. In any case there are manufacturers (not good ones) that today and in the past used these over the counter parts in their builds, and I think that say, Red Jacket firearms probably did not get a variance for Dorman to make freeze plugs (as silencer parts) for them. Jumping back to the overall topic, I have spoke with SDTA owner several times on the phone and he is a SOT, and claims he has spoken with the ATF or his local reps or whatever and he is comfortable that the stuff he is doing is legal and says he was told to not drill center holes in freeze plugs or end caps and that is good on everything else. If someone goes down I would think it would be him first, he is a SOT and is selling premade parts marketed as form 1 suppressor parts, sells every part you need to do a complete can and has a video showing how to do it. He offered to send me the parts for free so I could a video, but I really didn't feel comfortable with it.

 

[Ryan S.]

It is interesting that he will send all of those parts knowing the intent is to build a suppressor. I do not know of any actual suppressor manufacturer that will send you replacement parts. If you have a baffle strike or need to replace a part inside (other than pistons or mounts) they all insist that you send them the entire suppressor and they they will replace the parts. Not sure if they are just being overly cautious or if they know more than the flash light can guy.

This is true as it relates to commercial cans and complete form 1s. For example there is a guy who on the first shot of is AAC the stack blew out and he could not find one of the baffles and AAC can't help because they can have the lost one to destroy (end user or dealer likely playing with it?) so he has a useless can right now . On a new form 1 build have been told by SOTs that you can outsource any or all parts (to a SOT), I was quoted a monocore ($550 in SS or $750 in Ti) but too expensive for me, others (like stalking rhino) want you fill it up with a stack before they will re-core it.

 

[Ryan S.]

It is exceptionally inconvenient to have to take your muzzle device off to just clean your barrel really good so you can also mount some on your Griffin muzzles devices, also out of Titantium because they can get heavy with all those solvents drained. Easier to use spanner wrench to get out any trapped bore patches.

 

[Ryan S.]

Details?

I want to do a 308 can in titanium.

Diversified_Machine@yahoo.com

Complete Flashlight/Solvent trap with a end cap and adapter, although pretty much any length is available:
8" 1.500 OD 1.375 ID all SS w/knurl ends $150
8" 1.500 OD 1.375 ID all SS w/spanner hole ends $170
8" 1.625 OD 1.486 ID TI tube SS endcaps w/knurl $190
8" 1.625 OD 1.486 ID TI tube SS endcaps w/spanner holes $210