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There is so much stuff in this that is unconstitional....I didn't know where to begin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/california-gun-confiscation-bill_n_3117238.html

The California state legislature passed a bill Thursday approving $24 million to expedite the confiscation of the estimated 40,000 handguns and assault weapons illegally owned by Californians.

SB 140, authored by Sen. Mark Leno (D-San Francisco), seeks to remedy the gun-confiscation backlog that has left thousands of illegal guns on the streets, including those owned by those with criminal convictions or serious mental illness.

"We are fortunate in California to have the first and only system in the nation that tracks and identifies individuals who at one time made legal purchases of firearms but are now barred from possessing them," Leno said in a statement. "However, due to a lack of resources, only a few of these illegally possessed weapons have been confiscated, and the mountain of firearms continues to grow each day."

The measure will take $24 million from the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) surplus funds and give it to the California Department of Justice, which is in charge of confiscating illegal guns. The DROS account holds fees that are imposed upon every transfer or sale of a firearm in California.

Assemblyman Brian Jones (R-Santee) said he voted against the measure because the fees that make up the DROS funds are intended to cover the cost of background checks -- not confiscations.

"For example, if you go to the DMV and pay for a driver's license, that fee is for processing the driver's license, not for setting up sting operations for catching drunk drivers," he said.

"If the legislature wants to raise extra funds for the DOJ, it would have to impose a tax on firearm sales, which requires a two-thirds vote," he added.

Brandon Combs, executive director of the gun advocacy group Calguns Foundation, agrees that gun confiscation should be paid for out of the state's general fund. His and other pro-gun groups have argued that California's fees on gun buyers are exorbitant.

"The state should not be stealing millions of dollars from gun owners who were overcharged," Combs said.

The funds will go toward enforcing the California DOJ's Armed Prohibited Persons System (APPS) program, which began in 2007. APPS cross-references various databases to check people who have legally purchased handguns and registered assault weapons since 1996 against individuals who are prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

APPS also cross-references gun owners with individuals who have reported to the state DOJ as mentally ill. Doctors and hospitals are required to report to the state individuals who were found to be a danger to themselves or others, or who were certified for intensive treatment for a mental disorder.

Lynda Gledhill, spokesperson for the California DOJ, said that of the individuals deemed unfit to own guns, about 30 percent have a criminal record, 30 percent are mentally ill, 20 percent have a restraining order out on them and a small percentage have a warrant out for their arrest.

California is the only U.S. state where law enforcement officials confiscate guns from the homes of individuals not legally permitted to own them. Because gun-confiscating agents do not obtain search warrants, their job involves convincing people to let them into their homes and hand over their guns. If an individual does turn over a gun, he or she can be arrested on suspicion of illegally owning a firearm.

Over the past five years, agents conducting twice-weekly sweeps have confiscated more than 10,000 guns. Using the $24 million from SB 140, the California DOJ says it would take three years to catch up with the backlog of confiscated illegal guns.

Leno's bill returns to the Senate for approval of some noncontroversial amendments before heading to Gov. Jerry Brown's (D) desk. If SB 140 is signed by the governor, it would take effect immediately.

"This makes enormous sense and is one of the only ways available to reduce access to already purchased firearms," Deborah Azrael, associate director of the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center. "Universal background checks, as much as we should have them, can affect only the next gun purchased, not the sizable reservoir of guns already out there."

Adam Winker, UCLA law professor and expert on constitutional law, commented on the passage of the California bill after the U.S. Congress' failure to enact national gun background checks.

"We're likely to see much more activity at the state level in the wake of Congress's failure to act," Winkler said. "The gun-control movement's best options now are gun-control laws at the state."
 
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And they said Background checks won't lead to registration:

“We are fortunate in California to have the first and only system in the nation that tracks and identifies individuals who at one time made legal purchases of firearms but are now barred from possessing them,” Leno said in a statement.
 
I am curious as to their definition of mentally ill. that is the catch all I bet. where is the NRA in all this thought they fought for gun rights.
 
This coming from the People's Republic of Kalifornia is surprising......how?

This would have prevented Newtown.............how?

This would have spared Gabby Gifford's ordeal.......how?

This would have stopped James Holmes..........how?

This, coming from an elitist pig from San GLBTisco, which, by the way, js where another of our favorite piggy superiors hails from....wait...isn't Piglosi from there too?

NONE of this should come as a surprise to any pro-2A defender.

As Kali goes, so goes the rest of the country. Yeah..... I think I'll pass.....

I've said all along that I would not lose a single wink of sleep if that modern-day Gomorrah were to break off at the SA fault and sink to the bottom of the sea. I know there are good people there and to them I bid thee "rent a f'n Uhaul and get the f'k out!

I really hate that God forsaken state, and I can say with a certain level of certainty that NOTHING good comes out of that sh'thole of a state.

Anyway, KA is a testing ground for legislation like Boston was a testing ground for martial law.....

The day of reckoning is coming my brothers. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next month, or even next year, but it IS coming. I hope the D.O.R. is election day 2016, but it may come before then...

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This coming from the People's Republic of Kalifornia is surprising......how?

This would have prevented Newtown.............how?

This would have spared Gabby Gifford's ordeal.......how?

This would have stopped James Holmes..........how?

This, coming from an elitist pig from San GLBTisco, which, by the way, js where another of our favorite piggy superiors hails from....wait...isn't Piglosi from there too?

NONE of this should come as a surprise to any pro-2A defender.

As Kali goes, so goes the rest of the country. Yeah..... I think I'll pass.....

I've said all along that I would not lose a single wink of sleep if that modern-day Gomorrah were to break off at the SA fault and sink to the bottom of the sea. I know there are good people there and to them I bid thee "rent a f'n Uhaul and get the f'k out!

I really hate that God forsaken state, and I can say with a certain level of certainty that NOTHING good comes out of that sh'thole of a state.

Anyway, KA is a testing ground for legislation like Boston was a testing ground for martial law.....

The day of reckoning is coming my brothers. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next month, or even next year, but it IS coming. I hope the D.O.R. is election day 2016, but it may come before then...

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Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel man. :D
 
CA is a complete turd. They felt overshadowed by NY and CO's crapfest on the Constitution, so they've been busy little beavers lately.

How about the bill that just passed the public safety committee to deem ALL semi-auto rifles that have detachable mags, or fixed mags >10 rounds, to be 'assault weapons'.

Yes, the Ruger 10/22 and variety of others may soon be assault weapons in the People's Republik.

That and a host of other bills out there are creeping their way through.

The only hope our bretheren in Kalifornia have is that the anticipated large quake hits, things go pretty much SHTF with the unprepared animals preying on the bedwetters that think LE will be there.
This will cull the herd and force the survivors to find out what the 2A is all about. Not bloody likely, but it's a hope.
 
wait til they start confiscating actions on people who don't want to be confiscated from....I mean, look at Dorner and all the trouble he stirred up (and he wasn't particularly skilled or dangerous IMO)
 
wait til they start confiscating actions on people who don't want to be confiscated from....I mean, look at Dorner and all the trouble he stirred up (and he wasn't particularly skilled or dangerous IMO)
Yep. Some of the Northern Californians are rather Constitutional and Conservative in their own right. That little battle could get a little ugly right quick. I'll be watching
 
Yep. Some of the Northern Californians are rather Constitutional and Conservative in their own right. That little battle could get a little ugly right quick. I'll be watching
MOST of the Nor Cal. We need to understand that there are more conservatives and more gun owners in California then just about anywhere else. It's a huge state. Sure, they are overshadowed by the liberal city slickers down south. But, let's not fall into thinking the whole state is Baywatch and Berkeley.

California gun owners need our support, as they are constantly fighting off the left wing and constantly losing.
 
MOST of the Nor Cal. We need to understand that there are more conservatives and more gun owners in California then just about anywhere else. It's a huge state. Sure, they are overshadowed by the liberal city slickers down south. But, let's not fall into thinking the whole state is Baywatch and Berkeley.
Yep. I saw state breakdowns of NICS checks and CA leads the nation. Liberals in a few populous cities surrounded by gun owners.
 
California produces almost all of the country's almonds, apricots, dates, figs, kiwi fruit, nectarines, olives, pistachios, prunes, and walnuts. It leads in the production of avocados, grapes, lemons, melons, peaches, plums, and strawberries.

The San Joaquin Valley is full of farmers and pro 2A people. There's probably more guns in California than in NC. There's over 38 million people that live in California (9.7 million in NC). If you don't think that NC has liberals here or that somehow we are morally better than CA then you haven't gone to chapel hill recently or driven on that god-forsaken, Yankee toll road recently. The reason people in the big cities don't really care about guns is because their property is measured in square feet rather than acreage. There's no space to shoot. So the hobby goes unnurtured.

There are a lot of good people that live in California, and for all the Kali bashing that takes place, if you want a life with no TV, no DVDs, no movies, no apple computers, no iPhones, no google, no YouTube, no almonds, pistachios, olives, strawberries year round (basically the 1800's), then go ahead and keep bashing, but the people of California need our help. The worst thing we can do is throw them under the bus and say good riddance. As dry powder pointed out, if only 1/3 of the population of California was pro 2A, it would exceed NCs population. And 100% of NCs population is not pro 2A.


In fact calguns.net has 150,000 members and CSC has 15,000
 
California produces almost all of the country's almonds, apricots, dates, figs, kiwi fruit, nectarines, olives, pistachios, prunes, and walnuts. It leads in the production of avocados, grapes, lemons, melons, peaches, plums, and strawberries.

The San Joaquin Valley is full of farmers and pro 2A people. There's probably more guns in California than in NC. There's over 38 million people that live in California (9.7 million in NC). If you don't think that NC has liberals here or that somehow we are morally better than CA then you haven't gone to chapel hill recently or driven on that god-forsaken, Yankee toll road recently. The reason people in the big cities don't really care about guns is because their property is measured in square feet rather than acreage. There's no space to shoot. So the hobby goes unnurtured.

There are a lot of good people that live in California, and for all the Kali bashing that takes place, if you want a life with no TV, no DVDs, no movies, no apple computers, no iPhones, no google, no YouTube, no almonds, pistachios, olives, strawberries year round (basically the 1800's), then go ahead and keep bashing, but the people of California need our help. The worst thing we can do is throw them under the bus and say good riddance. As dry powder pointed out, if only 1/3 of the population of California was pro 2A, it would exceed NCs population. And 100% of NCs population is not pro 2A.

In fact calguns.net has 150,000 members and CSC has 15,000
I somewhat agree...

If they would stop electing the same freaking morons that keep taking their rights away, then we might feel more apt to try and help. It seems they keep voting them in for some reason any chance you have a clue WHY they keep doing that? Must be all those pro 2a people that outnumber the rest of the nutjobs you speak of, not going and standing up for their OWN rights.
 
The reason people in the big cities don't really care about guns is because their property is measured in square feet rather than acreage. There's no space to shoot. So the hobby goes unnurtured.
There seems to be quite a lot of shooting in some of the bigger cities, just not by hobbyist.

There are a lot of good people that live in California, and for all the Kali bashing that takes place, if you want a life with no TV, no DVDs, no movies, no apple computers, no iPhones, no google, no YouTube, no almonds, pistachios, olives, strawberries year round (basically the 1800's), then go ahead and keep bashing, but the people of California need our help. The worst thing we can do is throw them under the bus and say good riddance. As dry powder pointed out, if only 1/3 of the population of California was pro 2A, it would exceed NCs population. And 100% of NCs population is not pro 2A.
Not to bash California, but all the things you listed can and would be made somewhere else if the state fell into the ocean tomorrow. I guess the opposite of California bashing is California basking; especially the kind that portrays the state as some how more essential than the rest. The more important point is the scenario of people in large cities voting away the rights of those in the rural areas. We see this in New York and Illinois as well. Someday we may see Charlotte, Chapel Hill, and Raleigh making all the decisions simply because of their population density.

I'm not sure there is a cure for this. People in the urban areas tend to see government as more friendly than those who live in the rural area. They are more open to government control. We are about to add several million more people to the voters rolls. They aren't likely to vote pro-2A either. You can try to educate people but you are increasingly working against 18 years of primary education telling them that guns are bad and big brother is good. Our best bet, if you could call it that, may be in the judiciary system. Our luck there may run out soon enough.

When a rock has been rolling downhill for awhile, it takes some time to stop it. I don't see the rock slowing down any time soon.

In fact calguns.net has 150,000 members and CSC has 15,000
They don't seem to have made much of a difference in their home state have they? I'm not sure all pro-2a people are pro voters voters.
 
What is funny is that they are kind of shooting themselves in the foot. They claim there are 40,000 firearms that have to be confiscated because their owners can no longer own them. Yet, I bet there is no evidence that most of those owners, or the firearms themselves, are increasing the risk or actual crime with those same firearms.

In other words, if they have gone under the radar for this long, to the point that there are 40,000 just in California, why does it matter?
 
If Kali fell into the pacific would part of me feel bad yes, really good people and really bad people would parish. It's like war there will always be collateral damage. Would the U.S. still survive without it yes, it may take a toll but it wouldn't crush us.

Is Raleigh/Durham and yes majority of chapel hill hippie and left wingers YES! I fell like a hill billy in that area when I go, I have the right to open carry but the holster alone with a buck knife on my hip freaks people out! They look at you like your about to go columbine in the restaurant, or looks like why do you need a gun or knife here were all peace loving yuppie town people. It's sad I feel like 2 hrs from home is another country where I have no amendment rights.

Some nights I can't sleep anymore. I just re organize ammo and clean my guns and think about how the world has changed so much just in the past 5 months and what led to all this and I don't remember things be like this when Bush was in office before Osama Boma.
 
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