Oh, makes sence. Thanks.welcome to the board. Its basically the same people, but with more power in the hands of the people that run it. Before at CSF, Trazar the owner had everything locked down so that the site could not be maintained properly. He would not answer contact from vendors/advertisers, and would not do the needed upgrades to keep the site working properly hence the shutdowns every few weeks, and the terrible slowdowns at peal traffic times.