imagine that :roll:

 

It's as expected but continually denied by Obama. There will be a lot of crying and gnashing of teeth come 5 November if America does not wake up to the deception.

 

I can't believe how they have quotes like this floating around, but still have the balls to run commercials that say, "i support a citizens right to bear arms and to defend themselves."

 

The entire campaign is a pack of lies. Before it's over, Middle Class definition will be $30K, and everyone above that will see big tax increases. Unless there is a big surprise, we're screwed.

 

In most post election comments, the recognition of the power of the gun person is common.

I am not a "one issue" person but I cannot believe that a right winger would ever believe Obama will not get your guns.

I read recently of a particular union questioning his intents. Ain't they ever saw or heard of his voting record?

He once voted to raise excise tax 500% on ammunition. See? He is not after your guns! 8)

 

If he wins we are doomed.
Doomed to lose our guns and support his "people".

 

I read recently of a particular union questioning his intents. Ain't they ever saw or heard of his voting record?

I have, it's called "Present"

Not Yes
Not No
But Present

no stand no back bone but he can take your guns and your money and there is NOT one single thing you are going to do about it.

Now anyone want to place odds to see how long before the owner/admin locks this thread?

And the other day Obama was making the analogy about sharing his peanut butter sandwich. I have to agree to an extent. Once you hand over your confiscated sandwich the only thing he can give you back once he eats it is a load of crap. Sounds just like the government.

 

Now anyone want to place odds to see how long before the owner/admin locks this thread?

And the other day Obama was making the analogy about sharing his peanut butter sandwich. I have to agree to an extent. Once you hand over your confiscated sandwich the only thing he can give you back once he eats it is a load of crap. Sounds just like the government.

no reason to lock it, this is a valid conversation about gun rights...

BTW: the analogy was flawed... a communist would take your sandwich from you and force you to share it... not voluntarily allow you to share it.

 

Only a "sand person"(head in the sand) can fail to see the threat he poses. Not just now but for generations to come. He brings the potential to appoint many judges and over 2600 positions throughout the gub structure. Give him a demoncrap controlled congress and us Bible toting conservatives will be toast. His words are very plain to me, his muslim advisors/staff speak for his directions, and his voting record is appalling to any patriot. The kennedys, franks, and polisi's have nothing on this "gent" who was voted the most liberal senator in congress(by his cohort senators). Win or lose(unless by a surprise landslide) the country is in trouble just by his even getting the nomination and ONE vote. wc

 

Now anyone want to place odds to see how long before the owner/admin locks this thread?

And the other day Obama was making the analogy about sharing his peanut butter sandwich. I have to agree to an extent. Once you hand over your confiscated sandwich the only thing he can give you back once he eats it is a load of crap. Sounds just like the government.

no reason to lock it, this is a valid conversation about gun rights...

BTW: the analogy was flawed... a communist would take your sandwich from you and force you to share it... not voluntarily allow you to share it.

Now I said,"...Once you hand over your confiscated sandwich." Damn socialism

 

Answer me this. Because I dont know.

Say he does win.
Say he does do all these Anti_2nd amendment things agains the people
Huge Taxes on ammo, Ban CCW, Make it where if you use your gun in self defense you go to jail etc..

Once he is OUT, can that stuff be reversed by another president with common since?

 

Answer me this. Because I dont know.

Say he does win.
Say he does do all these Anti_2nd amendment things agains the people
Huge Taxes on ammo, Ban CCW, Make it where if you use your gun in self defense you go to jail etc..

Once he is OUT, can that stuff be reversed by another president with common since?

yes, any law can be reversed...

now that is usually easier said than done, plus you have to deal with the damage done by the law(s)

It has been almost 80 years since prohibition ended and we STILL have counties that do not allow liquor sales...

 

It has been almost 80 years since prohibition ended and we STILL have counties that do not allow liquor sales...

That's called Democracy.

That's what America is built on.

It means the voters in that particular county have had the opportunity to vote on the sale of liquor and turned it down.

The voters make that choice, not the county government.

In the next 48 hours you are going to learn a great deal about the power of Democracy.

Be a wise young man and pay attention. Learn from the Republican's mistakes.

m49

 

I can't believe how they have quotes like this floating around, but still have the balls to run commercials that say, "i support a citizens right to bear arms and to defend themselves."

I haven't heard that come out of their mouths. The only thing I have heard is we support "sportsmen" which is BS, they don't support 2nd amendment rights or the right to defend yourself, they just don't want to say it directly.

 

It has been almost 80 years since prohibition ended and we STILL have counties that do not allow liquor sales...

That's called Democracy.

That's what America is built on.

It means the voters in that particular county have had the opportunity to vote on the sale of liquor and turned it down.

The voters make that choice, not the county government.

In the next 48 hours you are going to learn a great deal about the power of Democracy.

Be a wise young man and pay attention. Learn from the Republican's mistakes.

m49

except we do not live in a democracy... we live in a representative republic...

democracies are notoriously disadvantegeous to minorities (i dont mean in just the racial sense), thus they almost always end up being overthrown.

course if i were "wise" i might not know these things.

- gonna go get drunk on hopechange now

 

Correction, we live in a Constitutional Republic...and the Federal government has been wiping its posterior with the Constitution for some time now. I do however have a good feeling about tomorrow...call it a hunch, but Obama can't win. Not that I really support McCain either, but never Obama.

And now I'm gonna go get drunk on cheap beer...all I can afford on my middle class salary :lol:

 

Correction, we live in a Constitutional Republic...and the Federal government has been wiping its posterior with the Constitution for some time now. I do however have a good feeling about tomorrow...call it a hunch, but Obama can't win. Not that I really support McCain either, but never Obama.

And now I'm gonna go get drunk on cheap beer...all I can afford on my middle class salary :lol:

i suspect that you are right...

the whole republic thing... constitutional / representatvie... im pretty sure that those two things can both be accurately used...

it is representative because we do not directly participate... it is consititutional because we have a constitution... it would be possible to have a representative republic without a constitution, and vice versa...

 

It has been almost 80 years since prohibition ended and we STILL have counties that do not allow liquor sales...

That's called Democracy.

That's what America is built on.

It means the voters in that particular county have had the opportunity to vote on the sale of liquor and turned it down.

The voters make that choice, not the county government.

In the next 48 hours you are going to learn a great deal about the power of Democracy.

Be a wise young man and pay attention. Learn from the Republican's mistakes.

m49

except we do not live in a democracy... we live in a representative republic...

democracies are notoriously disadvantegeous to minorities (i dont mean in just the racial sense), thus they almost always end up being overthrown.

course if i were "wise" i might not know these things.

- gonna go get drunk on hopechange now

Pay attention to what I wrote.

I wrote:

That's called Democracy.

Not:

We live in a Democracy.

Big difference.

m49

 

It has been almost 80 years since prohibition ended and we STILL have counties that do not allow liquor sales...

That's called Democracy.

That's what America is built on.

It means the voters in that particular county have had the opportunity to vote on the sale of liquor and turned it down.

The voters make that choice, not the county government.

In the next 48 hours you are going to learn a great deal about the power of Democracy.

Be a wise young man and pay attention. Learn from the Republican's mistakes.

m49

except we do not live in a democracy... we live in a representative republic...

democracies are notoriously disadvantegeous to minorities (i dont mean in just the racial sense), thus they almost always end up being overthrown.

course if i were "wise" i might not know these things.

- gonna go get drunk on hopechange now

Pay attention to what I wrote.

I wrote:

That's called Democracy.

Not:

We live in a Democracy.

Big difference.

m49

Five is correct!

 

I have a question. Is an ammendment considered, legally, part of the initial contract. If it is, then the oath of office binds the elected president to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." which includes the ammendments.

Then how far does he go before he is open to impeachment since the high court has ruled the 2nd to be an individual right.

 

I have a question. Is an ammendment considered, legally, part of the initial contract. If it is, then the oath of office binds the elected president to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." which includes the ammendments.

Then how far does he go before he is open to impeachment since the high court has ruled the 2nd to be an individual right.

See, that's why he appoints the judges. It's all good in the hood for obama. He'll rape lady liberty, and only get a thumbs up from his cronies. Plenty of Wising up will happen.

Wise up to his new civilian army
Wise up to the loss of "cheap" (inexpensive) firearms
Wise up to loss of personal protection outside your home when a CCP becomes a story you tell your kids one day.
Wise up to knowing that I'm supporting those won't support themselves.
Wise up to alot of wonderful things... boy o boy I can't wait.

 

That's called Democracy.

Not:

We live in a Democracy.

Big difference.

m49

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner... simple mob rules... thankfully we do not have such an archaic form of decision making

 

That's called Democracy.

Not:

We live in a Democracy.

Big difference.

m49

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner... simple mob rules... thankfully we do not have such an archaic form of decision making

When it comes down to voting on selling liquor - I'm afraid we do. Whoever has the most votes wins.

Majority rules.

Pure and simple Democracy.

m49

 

and that somehow makes the potential damage from a temporary ban on CCW less?

would you like to see a situation where each city dictated CCW laws?

 

and that somehow makes the potential damage from a temporary ban on CCW less?

would you like to see a situation where each city dictated CCW laws?

CCW laws should be a state issue in my opinion.

But I am willing to abide by whatever the voters of local municipalities think is best for their situation.

If I don't like their laws I simply avoid their jurisdiction.

m49