He better not put that to his shoulder, or the ATF will arrest him. I'm sure Obama is looking for any excuse to arrest these guys.

 

That's the same thing I said last night when I saw it on the news.

 

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/vets-stand-guard-weapons-outside-local-recruiting-/nm3hM/

"Nip it in the bud."

 

Seen one the other day, guy had an AR pistol with a VFG and no sights.

 

...guy had an AR pistol with a VFG...

No such thing.

If it has a VFG, it's not a pistol.

 

All Mall Ninja jokes aside, this is something I would participate in.

Those on the left will rally and "protest" at the drop of a hat. I see this as much the same thing. Get out there and stand for something.

 

Backwards EOTech guy.

 

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Backwards EOTech guy.

Is that an Eotech or a Sightmark that look like backwards Eotechs?

 

These people mean well and I would do the job as well if I needed to make time for it.

But someone needs to tell them what's up with the sig brace and proper optic installation.

They will get scooped up after the fact. Watch.

John

 

So you're saying what they're doing is lessened because they are not trained ninja's. If the crap flys from the fan there will be a whole lot more farmers then operators.

 

Nobody with shotguns?

 

Just the double barrel in your avatar.

 

Hey guys! Here are some citizens doing what they think is right to protect our soldiers since the wisdom of the government prevents them from doing so...so let's all gather around and ridicule them for their gear selection because that's the most important thing going on!

 

+1

 

I agree booger.

 

Love that the brace still seems to be popular.

 

Not illegal to mount your EOTech backwards. Just saying.



Not smart either.

 

Definitely a Sightmark

 

I love that people are doing this because if it goes on long enough I'm hoping it will shame the military into lettng their soldiers defend themselves. I agree though there should be a "tool" filter, this has the clear possibility of showcasing sheepdogs in the wrong light if (when) some jackass does something stupid.

 

Yeah, I have to say, Im glad that they are doing it. I don't think that they will ever be given a chance to actually "pull the trigger" which is good on several levels. It is really just the point of the ridiculousness of our government. Im glad they are doing it. It would dissuade most idiots from trying to shoot up one of the offices. Several of you are correct, it could turn out like a bad Open Carry Chipotle/Starbucks show, or it could do well for "us". Hopefully the latter.

 

Well, I was hopeful...but after the ND/AD I guess it turned out to be a shit sammich. We are our own worst enemy.

 

The guy from the first post lives a few doors down from me.
Knowing what tools are in his shed, i do question his choice of what he brought with him.
He was on fox and friends with a national segment this morning.

 

Just for my own edification....and I post this with reservation....with hopes to not get involved in the fray

The heavy set guy, with the Sig Brace and AR pistol and the broomstick handle on the front....That is illegal, correct? I was under the impression that you couldn't put that on the front of an AR pistol. But...the AFG is ok, per laws? Correct?

 

Just for my own edification....and I post this with reservation....with hopes to not get involved in the fray

The heavy set guy, with the Sig Brace and AR pistol and the broomstick handle on the front....That is illegal, correct? I was under the impression that you couldn't put that on the front of an AR pistol. But...the AFG is ok, per laws? Correct?

Correct, unless he has a AOW stamp as Booger is trying to point out. Even then its on the fed level and not local. So the odds of the local po-po rolling you up for 24hrs is high and the story is made.

 

What I didnt realize is that that military facilities will not allow personnel to be armed here, but in other countries, its ok ? Its something I never thought of, even tho I spent 5 years in. Now we have civilians guarding our military ?

 

Gotcha. I was afraid of that. Yeah, its all cool 'til your pic get on the front page of the paper....Hey....lookie there.....

 

Weren't there concerns by the States about having armed federal agents and troops freely moving about, which led to the prohibition against them being armed?
I think it's great some citizens are stepping up to help and I hope it's appreciated by the troops.
I'm not in a position to criticize their arms, kits or equipment because at any given moment I might not have the hottest or coolest toy on hand either - and its really surprising to me how many of us are focusing on these minor annoyances instead of showing them our support.
Last thing, if I remember correctly from my NG days even if the Governor activated us we couldn't go to Federal or .mil buildings without express permission and orders from the Feds. We could've stood guard off property but not on site without an invitation. Has that changed?

 

...Last thing, if I remember correctly from my NG days even if the Governor activated us we couldn't go to Federal or .mil buildings without express permission and orders from the Feds. We could've stood guard off property but not on site without an invitation. Has that changed?

this... this could be tricky. A NG MP Soldier, activated by the state is under Sate Active Duty or Title 32 orders, but not federal orders. So, technically they are state troops, at least until the gov signs them over. For a situation like this, the MPs from the 30th ABCT that are starting to show up (news article yesterday) are state troops. Therefore, they can be in NC ARNG recruiting offices.

The "issue" were to come about that they have to (A) retrieve their weapons and ammo from their armory which may or may not be located on a federal installation (a lot of their equipment is here at Bragg). ( B ) They receive the same training and certifications as federal MP Army Soldiers (C) they wear the same uniform as federal MP Army Soldiers, minus the patch...

Something I just learned about SAD Orders:

http://www.ngaus.org/sites/default/files/Guard Statues.pdf
The Governor can activate National Guard personnel to "State Active Duty" in response to natural or man-made disasters or Homeland Defense missions. SAD is based on State statue and policy as well as State funds. Soldiers and Airmen remain under the command and control of the Governor. A key aspect of this duty status is that the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply, giving National Guardsmen the ability to act in a law enforcement capacity within their home state or adjacent state if granted by that state's Governor.

I don't know, but then again, if an MP were to show up to pull security, I wouldn't question it. Only time that it might come up is if I were under arrest, (especially if I was still active duty).

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4367313995001/armed-volunteers-guard-recruitment-offices/?#sp=show-clips

 

I can completely understand why they wouldn't want these guys doing this... Yes, it's a great gesture. However, it also presents a couple of huge issues. Not the least of which is a friend or foe problem. Is the guy walking up to the building with a rifle there to guard it or to shoot it? Are they all smart enough to go inside unarmed first and tell them that they'd like to stand watch outside? Probably not... If two guys have the same idea and go to the same place will one of them see the other as a potential threat? Again, I get the concept but many things can go wrong so yea, I can see why they would want to discourage the behavior as well intentioned as it is.

 

Although ATF also considers the addition of an aftermarket foregrip to be making a AOW, this action is not supported by law. At least two cases brought by the government have been won by the defendants, but ATF still enforces this policy, so caveat emptor! Copied from paladin website. sorry if this is a hijack, now I'm off to take the forward grip off the sig pistol.

 

I assume you mean the AFG you put on the Sig pistol as a forward grip. You can leave that on there. It's legal.

 

I dont see people harping as much on how nice the gear is, but instead thinking it was a backwards EOtech (funny, no one seems to mind pointing out when police have their optics on backwards...) or having no sights at all on a rifle.

Hey, good on these guys for standing up for what they believe and doing what they feel is the right thing to do.

 

Gosh, this thread tuned into gear bashing and NFA semantics pretty quickly.

I am glad to see these guys out there and on the nightly news. It underscores how bass ackwards our laws are that the military is unable to defend themselves on US soil and lowly citizens must do it. I applaud these guys. If I had the time I'd consider doing it myself... in proper gear of course .