I am not as trusting of people I know nothing about as you are, apparently.

 

Im with ya,,Mark

 

Please explain to why it is an issue if someone does want a CCP for a transaction on a long gun? Why not contact the seller then and ask to do a 4473 transfer at a FFL and you cover the fee.

Problem solved

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I thoroughly agree with you Mark. Verifying that they're a state resident is enough for me. As far as making the transfer through an FFL sounds like something Holder would say.

 

"Enemy" is a pretty harsh label.

I try not to attribute to malice that which can be better explained by ignorance. And I think in this particular case, fear of the unknown.

Let me add that I don't require, or even request one thing more than the law requires in my own transactions.

 

Right there with you Mark
I imagine it is fear that drives them.

 

I thoroughly agree with you Mark. Verifying that they're a state resident is enough for me. As far as making the transfer through an FFL sounds like something Holder would say.

Minor details like they just got released from Butner Mental Hospital are... just minor details.

Not to mention that we have no other way to verify that the buyer isn't a felon.

 

No quicker or easier way to verify you are not committing a felony by selling a gun to someone you know nothing about who cannot legally posses one.No harm in showing one.The fear of losing our rights to a Government that is looking to take them makes us cover our tracks so to speak.

 

it's not the responsibility of the seller to determine if a person can legally own a firearm .If you knowingly sell to a felon then you are breaking the law.However the only thing you have to do is make sure they are a North Carolina resident then a drivers license or a NC ID card will suffice.
It's up to the person buying the gun to know if they can legally own a firearm.
This is not something the seller has to prove but then to be on the safe side to might ask "Are you a Felon and prohibited from owning this firearm. If they say no and are a resident of NC then its perfectly legal for you to sell them the firearm.
Of course everyone knows the buyer of a pistol needs a pistol permit to purchase or a conceled weapons permit.
Some people need to read the law that way they will know what they can or can't do.

 

Please explain to why it is an issue if someone does want a CCP for a transaction on a long gun? Why not contact the seller then and ask to do a 4473 transfer at a FFL and you cover the fee.

Problem solved

/thread

Ya think?
I don't have a ccw but plan to get one, not because I'll carry, but for the very reason the op is talking about. I tried to buy a revolver in bst last month. Sent a pm to the seller with links to the atf website and asked for the gun to ship to an ffl links were to show its legal to ship direct to an ffl. The reply was can't sell it to you my ffl says you need a ccw. This was from nc to sc. A ccw is NOT acceptable for that transfer it has to go to a class 1. My way would have involved a 4473 as you suggest and still a no go for the seller.

Ccw has become some sort of mark of the beast. It's the same as banks refusing to do business with firearms companies because they fear the regulators. The fear of liability and overly aggressive prosecution acts as a regulation without any politician risking a vote to restrict sales so winner for the Bloomberg crowd.

Blame Tapatalk

 

I understand your point. However, I think it is reasonable to assume that if the Walmarts of the world or your local gunstore are required to engage in some type of vetting process for potential buyers, we as private citizens should do all we can to insure we aren't selling to someone who isn't allowed by law to purchase any type of firearm. If not for any other reason than a moral one.

 

I understand your point. However, I think it is reasonable to assume that if the Walmarts of the world or your local gunstore are required to engage in some type of vetting process for potential buyers, we as private citizens should do all we can to insure we aren't selling to someone who isn't allowed by law to purchase any type of firearm. If for any other reason than a moral one.

I truly understand your concern but would you ask for a CHP from someone wanting to buy a knife or bat, If its a moral issue we should be more stringent on those item because they are used in more crimes.

 

It's on the buyer. I'm not a cop; it could be a fake ID or fake CWP...wouldn't be hard if you really want to buy a private party gun as a felon.

I don't require anything the law doesn't require, again, because it's on the buyer. Felons shouldn't possess guns and if they walk away from a sale carrying a gun, it's on them.

 

I truly understand your concern but would you ask for a CHP from someone wanting to buy a knife or bat, If its a moral issue we should be more stringent on those item because they are used in more crimes.

I agree with your statement. Having said that, I would also say that there is no federal or state vetting process to buy those items.

People want to look at this issue as a black and white conundrum. It is not, there are shades of gray.

 

Nobody is holding a gun to your head to force you to produce identification that you don't want to do. You are free to walk away.
If someone else requires something above the law, it is their property is it not? As in they are free to sell it as they see fit.

 

so far this thread has been good to ferret out the sellouts.You all know who I'm talking about don't you?

 

I think I've already addressed this issue

 

so far this thread has been good to ferret out the sellouts.You all know who I'm talking about don't you?

Name calling accomplishes nothing in this discussion and won't advance your cause one inch. Just because you have a stringent opinion doesn't mean it's the only one.

 

Well, the Second Amendment is intended to protect us from the government, or those in government who would abuse its power. I've refused to sell people things before because they gave me a bad feeling, that's certainly my right. I don't think I'm infringing on anyone's rights if I want to be sure they can legally buy what they are trying to buy from ME. They can always get it somewhere else, and meet the requirements that that seller has.

 

If I don't know you from Adam, I'm not selling you a gun unless it's done at a FFL or you have a CHP. If you don't like it I'm sorry. If I know you I would do the transaction without a CHP on a long gun. How does someone having a valid NC ID tell me that they are legal to own a gun? I'm not risking being the guy that sells a gun to some nut that wants to shoot somebody but they can't legally buy a gun. I don't care if you do have a valid NCDL or State ID. Even though it would be legal to do so under state law, I couldn't live with myself if I sold a gun to someone who later committed a crime with it.

 

I sure would'nt call them Staunch supporters of the 2nd amendment would you

 

I also wouldn't call someone a "staunch" supporter of responsible gun ownership if they would sell a gun to any yahoo on the street that has an ID.

 

I mentioned earlier that I don't request anything more than the law requires in a long gun or handgun transaction, but I reserve the right to not sell if I don't feel good about the buyer. I don't even like bills of sale either, but if some nervous nelly seller wants to to know that a buyer has been vetted by the Feds (has a CCW) then that is their business. I call that personal accountability for one's actions.

 

Field grade I feel the same way on those things too


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Spst I'm. Not going to sell to just anyone either If I have a bad feeling about someone I'll refuse the sale alsoCommon sense has to be used at all times when selling a firearm of any kind


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