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PPP - Can Person Other Than Buyer Use the Gun?

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  1. Alex Keaton

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    If I buy a handgun primarily for my wife using a PPP obtained by providing my info, is it illegal for her to possess the gun? I plan to use it at times, like at the range; we essentially plan on ’sharing’ it. But I do see her as the primary user eventually.

    Obviously only one of us can buy the handgun; just want to make sure either of us can use it, not just the one who buys it.

    Much appreciated!!
     
  2. MurphyLong

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    The following answer is assuming she is NOT a felon or violent offender:

    She absolutely can. She can also open-carry it. NC is a Non-register state, so your gun = her gun at any time. She just can't carry it concealed without a concealed permit. In her purse = concealed.

    I know that was more than you asked, just figured I'd cover the bases.
     
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    I left some information about your question where you first asked it...

    https://www.carolinashootersclub.com/threads/hey-there.351337/
     
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    Buying "Primarily for wife" would require lying on the 4473.

    Buying a handgun for your yourself and later letting a spouse primarily use it outside of your control, when they never had a PPP/CCP, is is a gray area that is almost never prosecuted.
     
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  5. Alex Keaton

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    Thanks for reply.

    Last thing I need is gray area. Fact is, she might not like the gun, and maybe I’ll love it. Or maybe she’ll love and I’ll hate it. I cannot predict who will ultimately be the primary user.

    This PPP has got to go. It’s absurd.

    Thanks again.
     
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    This is precisely what I assumed, since guns don’t have to be registered. I find it silly that my wife cannot use a handgun just because she doesn’t purchase it. But at the same time I see only PPP law that appears to apply to purchases and transfer of ownership, not who can use a handgun despite who purchased it.

    Maybe I’m being dense. New to this ridiculous PPP nonsense.

    Thanks so much!!! Getting conflicting replies, to be honest; was hoping someone would say what you did.
     
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    Well, it's all about semantics. If you buy it for HER, that's illegal. If YOU buy a gun for you, she is absolutely allowed to have it in her posession.
     
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    As long as she is not a felon.

    The best thing to do is for both of you to get your concealed carry permits - they substitute for PPPs for purchases, make the background check unnecessary (but not the 4473), and make it much easier to carry and transport handguns legally even if you never carry on your person.
     
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  10. Alex Keaton

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    It’s so nebulous, man. Didn’t want to, but suppose I’ll try to confirm with Sheriff. Don’t want to be messing around with risking breaking any laws.

    Really appreciate you taking time to provide the feedback.
     
  11. Alex Keaton

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    You’re probably right. Best not to risk it. It’s all so nebulous, which is BS. Appreciate the advice.
     
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    You really can't confirm it with the Sheriff. And there's no reason to do so. You said you weren't even sure she'd like the gun. You bought the gun for both of you to use, and you were the legal buyer. If you later dislike the gun and she likes it, it's hers to use -- as long as she's not a felon. :)

    You bought it, you are the owner of record, the gun is still under your control.
     
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    And this limitation (swearing on the Form 4473 that you are not making a “straw purchase” for someone else) is not limited to a PPP but covers ANY purchase (including with a CHP).
     
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    good excuse to buy 2 or more
     
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    She’s not a felon. “Hers to use”: So if she carries it in her purse and has to use it against a bad guy, will I get in trouble because it looks like I bought it for her initially? This is our concern, not her shooting it at the range, etc.
     
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    My take is the following...

    Concealing a handgun is a crime unless she holds a Concealed Handgun Permit. However, having a gun, having to use it, surviving the episode makes the consequences of illegally carrying the gun seem trivial to me.

    On the other hand, if she were found to be carrying concealed (i.e., during a traffic stop), that might not go well.
     
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    As long as she not a felon she can borrow it indefinitely. My nephew had a gun stolen that I let him use. No issue when we did a police report. Yes, it was in his possession and we told the police that.
     
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