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  1. jrgreen

    jrgreen My Mom says I'm cool.

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    Lets think about this for a minute. Criminals don't obey the law so I wont obey the law because I'm NOT a criminal.????
     
  2. bigfelipe

    bigfelipe I'm told I'm pretty awesome... Lifetime Member

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    lol... nice...
     
  3. RedneckFur

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    I see a lot of folks saying they will CCW where ever they want, private property rights be damned.

    If you can't respect others rights, why should anyone respect yours? You're not that unique or special, I promise.

    And a side note...they will *not* allow you to CCW in jail.
     
  4. Silver_Bullet

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    Does not matter if it is rented or owned. The renter is in control of the property and it is their business. If they don't want you speaking about gay rights, guns, porn, or anything else on the property they are in control of, that should be their prerogative.


    Exactly,

    most churches are open to the public, it's not exactly a public place ;)

    our guns rights do not trump other people's rights. A Religion may not agree with guns or free speech, we should not force upon that religion to guarantee rights on their property, same with any private owned business. Otherwise we ignore one right to forcefully gain a privilege people are confusing with a right.
     
  5. RedneckFur

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    Actually, they do, anytime you're not own your own private property or public property.
     
  6. jcs3876

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    Really? If criminals don't obey the sign why would I leave myself unprotected? Everybody on here breaks laws everyday whether it's 70 in a 60, rolling through a stop sign, crossing the street somewhere other than a crosswalk. We break these laws of a privilage (driving is a privilage) but when it comes to your right to protect yourselves it's like you just fold. Stand up!
     
  7. bigfelipe

    bigfelipe I'm told I'm pretty awesome... Lifetime Member

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    OK. So Sharia law is ok as long as it's on private property?
     
  8. Tailhunter

    Tailhunter God Help Us Club Subscribed

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    Wow. Ok. So when you must register your guns or loose them through confiscation, you are just going to lie down and take it. You know all those other rights now trump the 2a, so give in and go along. You do as you see fit and I will do as I see fit ... problem solved.
     
  9. 9outof10mms

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    This thread should have stopped at John's first post. We're just gonna end up hating each other, even though we're all centered around the same principles.
     
  10. bigfelipe

    bigfelipe I'm told I'm pretty awesome... Lifetime Member

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    Meh, I don't sweat it. I like the back and forth. You need to hear multiple angles on a subject to appreciate your own views, IMO. So, I don't hate anybody on here. I wish people did a little more reading comprehension before quoting me, but I imagine I'm a hypocrite in that regard as well from time to time. So, I harbor no ill will...
     
  11. Silver_Bullet

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    You don't have to leave yourself unprotected. You just don't go in those places where you are not welcomed to carry, if you wish to remain armed to protect yourself. You have the right to bear arms, but none of the rights in the constitution have ever been guaranteed on private property. They should not be forced to be guaranteed on private property, otherwise you open up a huge can of worms.

    We may accidentally break laws, but we don't condone or encourage doing it. Some laws do have more several punishment than needed, such as forgetting to remove your firearm may forfeit your right to bear arms in the future. That is wrong. All rights should be afforded to all free people. If we can't trust a free person with their rights, they should not be free.


    The right to protect yourself is a natural right. Constitutional rights are not guaranteed on private property. When you are on private property your constitutional rights no longer apply. You can protect yourself always (that is a natural right), but there is no guarantee that you will be able to do so in the most effective way if those in control of the property do not allow certain items.

    Your self defense is curtailed when you are not allowed the privilege to bring certain items on private property, this is why I try not to visit these places and encourage others not to also. I do not in anyway encourage anyone to disrespect private property, or break the laws.

    Bearing Arms is a right! Bearing Arms on private property is a privilege.
    Free Speech is a right! Free Speech on private property is a privilege.

    Constitutional rights on private property are not and can not be guaranteed.
    Is it hard to understand? There is a reason it's like this.
     
  12. RedneckFur

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    Exactly. If rights extended to the private property of others, whats to stop me from going to my neighbors house and giving loud, vulgar speeches on their front porch? Free Speech is my right!
     
  13. bigfelipe

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    Except for the part where sometimes they are and they can...
     
  14. Silver_Bullet

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    If Sharia law harms another, then there is a difference. It's not comparable to banning items on private property. You should be able to do what you wish on your property, unless you are harming another. Teaching religion may not be harming another. Teaching and doing / enforcing are different. Cutting a mans hand off, well that's harming another regardless of the religious teaching, and is breaking our constitutional laws. That is when there should be intervention.
     
  15. bigfelipe

    bigfelipe I'm told I'm pretty awesome... Lifetime Member

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    And where do you draw the line at what constitutes harm? Who gets to decide that line?
     
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    Correct on all fronts. To be sure, in order for there to be a Constitutional violation, state action is required. This is the reason that when Phil Robertson caught heat for his comments about gays a few months ago those who screamed about "free speech" did nothing more than demonstrate their lack of understanding of Constitutional Law. Private entities are free to do things that would be a violation of the Constitution if done by Government.
     
  17. mj1angier

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    Nope, no one right trumps any other. Business owner has the right to say "no guns", you have the right to carry and go some where else. No one is making you go there. If you want to talk to him and maybe change his mind, fine.

    But tell someone they have to let you carry on their property is as crazy as telling someone who does not carry they have to carry if they come in the place.
     
  18. Silver_Bullet

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    Yep.

    Also, there is a chance you may have to try and exercise your natural right to self defense after you do that ;) LOL, but nothing is guaranteed.
     
  19. mj1angier

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    Lets turn this around:

    I have a business. I carry every day. Some of my staff carry. Say a client comes in one day, sees us carrying. Should they be able to force us not to carry? If they started to bitch about us being "crazy gun nuts", should I not have the right not to serve them?

    No, they have the right not to come to us, they can call us out on facebook, they can tell their friends not to come to us...
     
  20. Silver_Bullet

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    We have a system set in place to do that, yes it has it's flaws, nothing is perfect.

    Harm can be intentional physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted against our constitutional laws and not in a manner of defending yourself, such as your example of certain aspects of sharia law when acted on, bypasses our laws and guarantee to trail. It can also be other things that violate your rights, such as stealing property. These laws are made by man, (your rights are natural). Typically it's decided in courts whether your right was violated or not. It's not perfect, and I agree it is wrong sometimes.
     
  21. Figbassist75

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    Possibly your CHP. NC is a state where gun buster signs do have the force of law, meaning if caught you stand an excellent chance of being charged with armed trespassing. To me if a business posts a sign, I just do not give the ant-gunnies my hard earned cash. It's not worth the risk of a CHP revocation to try to prove a point.
     
  22. Krabba

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    If someone can show me one case in NC where this has happened I'd appreciate it. I'd say the much more likely scenario is you are asked to leave after your concealed handgun is somehow magically discovered and you leave. End of story.
     
  23. Silver_Bullet

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    That is more than likely, but not a guarantee. Test the water at your own risk.

    Usually gun related charges are add one's to other crimes committed. Gun related charges alone have been rare in the past.
    My luck, they would probably make an example and throw the book at me. Plus the political environment is changing. There is more defined lines on both sides with less agreement and common ground, and they would love to make an example.
     
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  24. Tailhunter

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    No guns... hmmmm. Then why the stink when they say no gays? (Or whatever little group they want to push out of their store)

     
  25. Krabba

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    Nope, there aren't many guarantees in life. Risk/Reward is a constant balancing act.

    Agreed. Scenario: Your concealed handgun is magically discovered and you are asked to leave by management. You decide you are not going to leave but stand and argue that it is your right this being 'Merica and all. The local LEO's show up and take you for a ride and then you are charged with trespass, disorderly conduct, a CHP violation and anything else they can tack on. Lesson: If you are somehow magically exposed and asked to leave... do it.
     
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    Because the Gay's are better organized then we are. Even though there is no law against it, if you post a no Gay sign up, and you will be out of business fast. We need to convince people like they have, that carrying firearms and wanting to defend yourself is normal and should not be discriminated against.

    Difference between us and that movement though is that some of them want to force their beliefs upon you and make you out to be a bigot for not accepting that belief. It's a dirty but effective tactic.
     
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    The other difference is found within this post. Gun control/Pro Gun is very gray when you bring all these opinions in it. We have two sides arguing about whether or not it's right to post signs....within the same group.

    Gay people are just gay....they are not gay only at target or gay if no one sees it (ok maybe sometimes), but you know what I mean. They are organized because the issue is not as complex.
     
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    To many, being gay has no potential to affect anyone, while carrying a gun can result in bloodshed and accidents left and right (outright lies of course, but paints a nice ugly picture). Basically, its just completely different to the folks that tend to latch onto the gay movement. What people fail to realize is that rights are rights.
     
  29. Figbassist75

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    The only thing I can find is this:



    ยง 14-415.21. Violations of this Article punishable as an infraction.

    (a) A person who has been issued a valid permit who is found to be carrying a concealed handgun without the permit in the person's possession or who fails to disclose to any law enforcement officer that the person holds a valid permit and is carrying a concealed handgun, as required by G.S. 14-415.11, shall be guilty of an infraction and shall be punished in accordance with G.S. 14-3.1. In lieu of paying a fine the person may surrender the permit.

    (a1) A person who has been issued a valid permit who is found to be carrying a concealed handgun in violation of subdivision (c)(8) or subsection (c2) of G.S. 14-415.11 shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    (b) A person who violates the provisions of this Article other than as set forth in subsection (a) or (a1) of this section is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. (1995, c. 398, s. 1; 2011-268, s. 21(a); 2013-369, s. 16.)


    I still say it is not worth the risk and it's not worth my hard earned money to support anti-gunnies and their agenda no matter how good the food may or may not be.
     
  30. Krabba

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    Yep, as I've said, life is about weighing risks and doing what you think is best. I don't knowingly support antis but there are some places that I have to go that are posted. I may or may not see those signs.
     

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