It was a tragedy what happened to James Brady, that he was wounded while PROTECTING the President from gunfire... from a 22 (magnum) revolver... doing a job he chose and worked very hard to get. I still fail to see why we banned semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines as a result? LIke they say in politics, "Never waste a good crisis".

The cynical side of me is starting to wonder how many crisis's are being engineered to push an agenda?

Speaking of agendas, did the Bush's and Hinckley's know each other before the assination attempt?

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

 

It was a tragedy what happened to James Brady, that he was wounded while PROTECTING the President from gunfire... from a 22 (magnum) revolver... doing a job he chose and worked very hard to get. I still fail to see why we banned semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines as a result? LIke they say in politics, "Never waste a good crisis".

The cynical side of me is starting to wonder how many crisis's are being engineered to push an agenda?

Speaking of agendas, did the Bush's and Hinckley's know each other before the assination attempt?

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

Fast and Furious comes to mind

 

Who could disagree that more training is better who could disagree that the more practice is better, yes the police do training when they first become an officer, and sometimes they get training during the year ((sometimes)) and what I have found is that most of them do not practice very often at all, in fact some of them do not practice other than doing their qualifications every year, yes we have all seen the videos of police handling their weapons, the FBI agent in school classroom shooting himself in the foot, and that woman police officer accidentally shooting her weapon while her fellow officer was handcuffing somebody on the ground and she almost could have shot either one of them, and what about New York where they had to change the trigger pull on their Glock pistols because they kept shooting themselves in their own feet as they were holstering their weapons. I think you would find most of us shoot a lot more than most police, yes we're mostly not getting training (but) a lot of us could probably out shoot quite a few police officers target shooting, and where is this highly trained police officer when you need him, just ask all the people who have been robbed and murdered and raped and attacked by a mass murderer. Yes I am sure there are exceptions where you might find some police officers do a lot of shooting, I have had the pleasure of knowing quite a few of them over the years, and you would be surprised how many just take their service weapon as a tool that only gets used when they are working, if they are not involved in a training class or qualifications some of them do not practice at all or if they do it might be once or twice a year, yes I have met a couple who actually think their weapons is fun to shoot and they shoot a lot

 

It was a tragedy what happened to James Brady, that he was wounded while PROTECTING the President from gunfire

Unless I missed something, Brady was just walking with the President and was simply hit by the first shot. He wasnt trying to protect the President in any way that I know of.

 

I think you would find most of us shoot a lot more than most police,

I think thats highly debatable. Most officers, like most citizens, do very little shooting. People, regardless of occupation,that shoot often tend to be the exception rather than the rule IME.

 

In the mid-80's I along with a partner set-up and managed a combat pistol league at a indoor shooting range. We ran the thing for something like a year and a half and had several police officers, sheriff deputies, etc. participating in the leagues. In every case the LEOs came into the competitions as some of the worst shooters we had. As they progressed... as memory serves each league ran once a week for 8 weeks... their marksmanship improved markedly. I don't recall any of them ever finishing high enough to receive a trophy for their efforts. Based on that experience I have a hard time buying into the "superior training" claim.

 

She is entitled to her dumb ass opinion. I'd love to see her present some information to substantiate her claims. I think I'll be waiting for a while.

 

I hate seeing those generalizations also. I've taken classes with some LE folks that were excellent shooters, and some that were less than excellent. Its becoming more and more clear that reporters are either A-really stupid, or B-pushing some sort of agenda. See how easy the generalization game can work, lol

 

I think thats highly debatable. Most officers, like most citizens, do very little shooting. People that shoot often tend to be the exception rather than the rule IME.

And there is the winner. Just because you have a badge or a military insignia on your shirt does not make you a gun expert. It seems that lately badges and insignias make you magically a super safe marksmen like high capacity magazines and semi auto black firearms magically make you a mass murderer in waiting. Disgusting.

 

I have had officers bring in their service weapons for cleaning because they didn't know how to disassemble them. That right there tells me they don't spend quality time with them.

 

Based on that experience I have a hard time buying into the "superior training" claim.

Their training is MUCH more than just hitting the target. They get tons more practice time for firearm retention, situational awareness and a myriad of other things that make them professionals. Just because someone can hit a target better doesn't make them more trained. The training is just on a different focus.

Now for the point of the professional --vs -- citizens normal training, its not even a debate, the stats don't lie. WE DO NOT have a problem with average CCW accident going around shooting people by accident or being overly paranoid in escalated situations. Out of the millions of people who carry everyday its extremely rare we hear of a "bad apple".

The extra training the police get are to protect themselves, not to protect the public from the police. This extra training for them is worth it because they are slightly more likely to encounter a bad situation more so than your average joe.

 

Although my comment involves bullets, they are not bullets fired from a conventional hand-held firearm. Chuck Yeager, in his autobiography, attributed his success shooting down Germans in his P-51, to his years hunting, as a youth, in the backwoods of WV. I don't for a second buy any of that crap coming from her mouth. You hunters on here know as well as anybody. For any experienced hunter in the United States, to acquiesce to what this agenda driven lady is saying, is a self-induced face slap to him/herself and to other hunters and firearms enthusiasts.

This is not meant as a challenge to the abilities of any professionally trained law enforcement or military member. To the contrary, my post here is merely a counterpoint to an insanely ignorant comment from an anti-2A enemy of our freedoms. For someone to say that the majority of non-professionally trained gun owners are a danger to themselves and others is asinine to say the least. I, myself, and I know quite a few others growing up in WV, have lived with firearms, worked on firearms, and shot firearms, my entire life. I'm almost 50 yrs. old. There are ton of guys and gals out there that could qualify, score well, and win plenty of shooting competitions out there that have never been in a match before............ Rant over............ Dave

 

True, LEOs have had "official" training.

But the ONLY people who have 24/7 LEO protection are the politicians.

So, who do these broad brush painters expect to protect the rest of us from the looney bins?

 

If guns are so dangerous in untrained hands, then why not give all kids training? It's what we do with cars, and they are far more dangerous than guns.

Oh, and she is without a doubt as much a religious fanatic as any, her religion just happens to be faith in an anti-2a agenda.

Jim

 

If guns are so dangerous in untrained hands, then why not give all kids training? It's what we do with cars, and they are far more dangerous than guns.

Oh, and she is without a doubt as much a religious fanatic as any, her religion just happens to be faith in an anti-2a agenda.

Jim

Maybe because it is up to parents to decide if they want their kids to learn about firearms. I taught my kid, but I reserve the right to teach her if I want to.

 

If guns are so dangerous in untrained hands, then why not give all kids training? It's what we do with cars, and they are far more dangerous than guns.

Oh, and she is without a doubt as much a religious fanatic as any, her religion just happens to be faith in an anti-2a agenda.

Jim

9th grade PE during the winter we did hunters safety. Too bad they did away with that IMO. That was a long time ago though.

 

Unless I missed something, Brady was just walking with the President and was simply hit by the first shot. He wasnt trying to protect the President in any way that I know of.

This comment needs another bum!

 

Unless I missed something, Brady was just walking with the President and was simply hit by the first shot. He wasnt trying to protect the President in any way that I know of.

You may be right. On that day, I had reached the wise and enlightenment point of being in the 3rd grade but I do recall this being one of those special moments in history and that evening everyone sitting around the TV watching the news, waiting for any sort of update. One of the things that I recall from the even is a big deal being made about how Brady threw himself infront of Reagan, shielding him and sacrificing himself. I also recall the teachers emphasizing this fact in school. Whether or not is is true or urban legend, I know not for certain.

If guns are so dangerous in untrained hands, then why not give all kids training? It's what we do with cars, and they are far more dangerous than guns.

When I was in 5th grade we spent a (school) week in a school organized day camp organized by the 5th grade and phys-ed teacher. It was a lot of team building and trust exercises, but one stands out in my memory: target shooting with .22 rifles (the camp had a small outdoor range). I remember before we started that we got a positive lecture on the subject of "that it was because we had been acting responsibly that they felt that we could be trusted to handle more serious and dangerous activities." This was then followed by a session on gun safety, which was emphasized during the event. Oddly enough, years later I read a decidedly anti-gun opinion piece in the local newspaper by an author having the same name as the phys-ed teacher (who was the one who made the responsibility comments). I always wondered if it was him or or a relative and thought it incongruous that a die hard anti would actually teach a bunch of 10 year old kids about guns.

I doubt you would find that happening in school today. Then again, we also learned things like archery and fencing in school too.

 

You may be right. On that day, I had reached the wise and enlightenment point of being in the 3rd grade but I do recall this being one of those special moments in history and that evening everyone sitting around the TV watching the news, waiting for any sort of update. One of the things that I recall from the even is a big deal being made about how Brady threw himself infront of Reagan, shielding him and sacrificing himself. I also recall the teachers emphasizing this fact in school. Whether or not is is true or urban legend, I know not for certain.

When I was in 5th grade we spent a (school) week in a school organized day camp organized by the 5th grade and phys-ed teacher. It was a lot of team building and trust exercises, but one stands out in my memory: target shooting with .22 rifles (the camp had a small outdoor range). I remember before we started that we got a positive lecture on the subject of "that it was because we had been acting responsibly that they felt that we could be trusted to handle more serious and dangerous activities." This was then followed by a session on gun safety, which was emphasized during the event. Oddly enough, years later I read a decidedly anti-gun opinion piece in the local newspaper by an author having the same name as the phys-ed teacher (who was the one who made the responsibility comments). I always wondered if it was him or or a relative and thought it incongruous that a die hard anti would actually teach a bunch of 10 year old kids about guns.

I doubt you would find that happening in school today. Then again, we also learned things like archery and fencing in school too.

You are hard pressed to even find a shop class in school these days. It's part of the pussification of America.

 

9th grade PE during the winter we did hunters safety. Too bad they did away with that IMO. That was a long time ago though.

You are hard pressed to even find a shop class in school these days. It's part of the pussification of America.

These classes and others like them have produced some very fine upstanding citizens. Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I just don't know where all of the wisdom has gone to that once existed on school planning boards of yester-year.

 

Anyone see the video piece on the Deputies shooting the man in Catawba?
A real "man-sized" target .... there were bullets holes all over 2 vehicles.
The one man standing still ( according to witnesses ) and the shooting zone was at least 12 feet.

Training .......... yeah.


Matt

 

You are hard pressed to even find a shop class in school these days. It's part of the pussification of America.

When I was in high school (26-22 years ago), we had shop with big WW2 vintage machines, metalshop with band saws, and a foundry, and two levels of electricity shop which was where I got the inspiration to become an EE. We had chemistry sets as a kid that were too dangerous today and in school worked with stuff that is now too hazardous. I hate to say it, but the change does strike me as the same mentality that the typical anti has today. Things started to change about the time the Smurfs hit TV, with the millenial generation.

 

You are hard pressed to even find a shop class in school these days. It's part of the pussification of America.

All part of the rainbows and unicorns promised by liberal politicians and activists. Ball games without competition because surely losing would crush little Johnny and Jane! Spare the rod because avoiding spoiling the child is obviously an act of abuse. The list goes on and on and on.

 

You are hard pressed to even find a shop class in school these days. It's part of the pussification of America.

There is really no other way to put it. Between the vilification of anything hands-on (ham radio, rocketry, shop, electronics, electricity, machine tools, ALL EVIL - and not helpful to the new "service industry" [separate rant there]) and trying to keep everyone SAFE from everything, everywhere, everywhen (can't be done, by definition), no wonder our economy is spiraling around in the white bowl... This crap is highly correlated with the rise of HOAs and general meddlesomeness in US society.

 

These classes and others like them have produced some very fine upstanding citizens. Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I just don't know where all of the wisdom has gone to that once existed on school planning boards of yester-year.

Actually it more about liability. Notice PE has been reduced or eliminated. Anything that could cause an injury is gone. No more chopping fingers with the saw in shop, no figures caught in fans, no kids getting hit in the head playing dodge ball. Kids get hurt, people sue. When I was a kid, you got hurt, you brushed off and went back at it. If it was bad enough you went to the doctor, got treated, and that was that. Today, parents will be at the school the next day yelling and screaming wanting to know how someone let their precious baby get hurt, day after that, lawyer calls, followed by a law suite.