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There's lots of talk here about suppressors and SBRs, but I haven't seen much if any talk about SBSs.

So anybody got one? Build details? Pics?


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I have an unconverted saiga 12 that I am toying with filing a tax stamp and making it 8" when I do the conversion. But that's a lot of work. You have to move the gas block etc etc.

But it would look badass.

 

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Bashman: What do you want to know about them? We have been doing SBRs & SBSs since the late 80's. There are some limitations as too how short on different types. Example, For a short barrel AR I don't like anything under 11.5." Less than that they can become sensitive to ammo types/brands...but I am sure that many on here will say that I have a 7.???" and it runs fine...Great, I am happy for you. We have done some of those also. But, when they leave the shop, they are yours. Plus anything 11'5 or shorter is just so damn LOUD!!!
14.5" is about the best for maintaining terminal ballistics with standard OTS ammo. Maybe that is why Colt and the US Military use 14.5" bbl on their M4's. Don't get me wrong here 11.5/10.5" make better entry weapons and for getting in and out of cars/SWAT vans with. But there is that blast thing inside a building.
Short Barreled Shotguns bit of a different story. The Serbu Super Shorty 870 and Mossbergs are a real blast, pun intended. Since they are pump action. We have a couple of Benelli M1 Super 90 Entry guns left from a recent PD trade in and we have a couple of Rem 870 12" guns available. Building a SBS is pretty simple too. Two ways you can go about it. First, is a ATF Form 1, you are the builder and you engrave your name, city & state. Second method, Have a Class II (0-7) manufacture like us build and register it with ATF as a SBS, then transfer it to you on a ATF Form 4. Either way it cost you $200 for the Tax stamp. Form one it is a manufacturing tax, form four it is a transfer tax.
Hey, it's the Federal Gobernment we are working with....I just try to explain it!!
I hope this helps. I don't have a clue how to post a picture on here, but if you are interested shoot me an email and I send you pics.
Thanks:

Phil Flack
P. F. Custom Guns, Asheville, NC
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There's lots of talk here about suppressors and SBRs, but I haven't seen much if any talk about SBSs.

So anybody got one? Build details? Pics?

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Thanks Phil. Good info.
I was mainly hoping for some SBS gun porn.
Not too interested in the Serbus, but the 12"-14" 870s sound more interesting.

Also liked to hear more about the M1 Super 90s, too.

Bashman: What do you want to know about them? We have been doing SBRs & SBSs since the late 80's. There are some limitations as too how short on different types. Example, For a short barrel AR I don't like anything under 11.5." Less than that they can become sensitive to ammo types/brands...but I am sure that many on here will say that I have a 7.???" and it runs fine...Great, I am happy for you. We have done some of those also. But, when they leave the shop, they are yours. Plus anything 11'5 or shorter is just so damn LOUD!!!
14.5" is about the best for maintaining terminal ballistics with standard OTS ammo. Maybe that is why Colt and the US Military use 14.5" bbl on their M4's. Don't get me wrong here 11.5/10.5" make better entry weapons and for getting in and out of cars/SWAT vans with. But there is that blast thing inside a building.
Short Barreled Shotguns bit of a different story. The Serbu Super Shorty 870 and Mossbergs are a real blast, pun intended. Since they are pump action. We have a couple of Benelli M1 Super 90 Entry guns left from a recent PD trade in and we have a couple of Rem 870 12" guns available. Building a SBS is pretty simple too. Two ways you can go about it. First, is a ATF Form 1, you are the builder and you engrave your name, city & state. Second method, Have a Class II (0-7) manufacture like us build and register it with ATF as a SBS, then transfer it to you on a ATF Form 4. Either way it cost you $200 for the Tax stamp. Form one it is a manufacturing tax, form four it is a transfer tax.
Hey, it's the Federal Gobernment we are working with....I just try to explain it!!
I hope this helps. I don't have a clue how to post a picture on here, but if you are interested shoot me an email and I send you pics.
Thanks:

Phil Flack
P. F. Custom Guns, Asheville, NC
[email protected]
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They hold 5 (2 3/4") in the mag and one in the chamber. These are late model M1s, thus they have the notch in the bolt to prevent the ghost loading. A simple fix on that, to make it hold 6 & 1.
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If someone can brief me on how to post pictures here, be happy to do so.
The Remington SBS we make are PD trade ins. Generally we do them on Magnum (steel) receiver guns. We cut and crown and hone the barrels, go thru the trigger group, sand and refinish (matte oil) the wood furniture or use synthetic (your choice) and reparkerize the barrel & receiver.
Sell them in NC for $628 which INCLUDES the $200 transfer and NC Sales taxes.
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Phil

Thanks Phil. Good info.
I was mainly hoping for some SBS gun porn.
Not too interested in the Serbus, but the 12"-14" 870s sound more interesting.

Also liked to hear more about the M1 Super 90s, too.

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Hey Phil,
What would be the cost if I supplied the 870P?
You can PM me back if you prefer.

Thanks!
If someone can brief me on how to post pictures here, be happy to do so.
The Remington SBS we make are PD trade ins. Generally we do them on Magnum (steel) receiver guns. We cut and crown and hone the barrels, go thru the trigger group, sand and refinish (matte oil) the wood furniture or use synthetic (your choice) and reparkerize the barrel & receiver.
Sell them in NC for $628 which INCLUDES the $200 transfer and NC Sales taxes.
Thanks:

Phil
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Pics of the Benelli M1 entry's. Thanks Larry!!
Chris1 is 100% correct about a shot gun that already has the pistol grip. BUT, make 100% certain that is ONLY came from The factory (Mossberg) with the pistol grip. IF it left the factory with only a shoulder stock or BOTH in the box it can only be made into a SBS = $200 tax. And Yes, ATF knows which serial number are which.
 

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