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Raidon Tactics held a home defense course Sunday for a small group of guys out at the range. Raidon brought out 3 wall sections built out of standard construction material to test and demonstrate penetration of common rounds inside a home. The 3 wall sections were...
Wall 1 Drywall, insulation, drywall
Wall 2 Drywall, insulation, drywall, OSB board, Vinyl siding
Wall 3 Drywall, insulation, OSB, Cinder block
Raidon Shot the wall with a 16in AR-15, 16in AK-47, 18in barreled 12ga shotgun, and a 9mm, 40cal, 45ACP pistol. Ball rounds were fired by all the pistols, 7 1/2 birdshot and 00Buck out of the shotgun, as well as both ball and frangible through the AR.

Rounds used:
115gr 9mm ball
180gr 40cal ball
7 1/2 birdshot 12ga
00 Buck (Hornaday TAP) 12ga
62gr Green Tip 5.56mm
55gr "Green" Powdered copper frangible 5.56mm

All rounds were fired into the walls from around 10 meters straight into the wall. On the first wall section all rounds penerated the drywall and impacted the berm.Not all of the 71/2 birdshot completely exited the wall. The powdered copper 5.56mm fragible bullet seemed to be coming apart and exited the back of the drywall close to the same size as the 9mm round. On the second wall section all handgun and rifle rounds defeated the wall while the 7 1/2 birdshot failed to penetrate. Once again the frangible 5.56mm round penetrated but exited larger than the 5.56mm ball round and no impact was seen on the berm behind the wall. On both of the first two walls the buckshot held its pattern very tightly and may as well been a slug. The last wall was the cinder block backed wall. Every round failed to exit the wall however the 7.62x39 blew a chunk out of the rear of the wall about the size of a pocket watch and maybe 1/4 inch deep. We recorded video from the front side of the wall as well as high speed film on the back side of the wall. I will be posting the videos here later as well as on our youtube channel (I will be setting up this week).
All rounds were fired fired in the same place on the walls, then labeled.

Wood Land lot Wood stain Rectangle Grass


Plant Wood Door Wall Gas


Cabinetry Dresser Chest of drawers Drawer Wood


Handwriting Grey Road surface Rectangle Tints and shades


Top right: 5.56mm Green tip
Top left: 9mm ball
Center left: 7.62x39 ball
Center: 12ga. 7 1/12 bird-shot
Center right: 40cal Ball
Bottom left: 45acp Ball
Bottom center: 12ga 00Buck
Bottom right: 5.56mm Frangible

The wall will be at the range to be used for future classes if you come in and want to see it. The demonstartion was a great chance for people to see what really happens when rounds miss their intended targets and go astray. One of the rules of firearms safety is knowing your target, and whats behind it. This demonstration shows that when shooting in your home in defense, shooters must also think about what is beyond and behind what they are shooting at.
 

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Not really very informative for folks concerned about over penetration for inhome self defense though...

Is there really any surprise that ball ammo will penetrate wallboards :)

Why not use ammo that's more indicative of the type of pistol ammo folks would use, namely hollowpoints...

Why compare fragible 556 and birdshot? Why not use 12ga slugs and AP rounds..... :)
 

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The demo wasn't only for home defense applications. Most of our training is DoD, and these are the rounds they fire most or see fired. Extra proof that cover is relative to what your being shot at with, being aware of where teammates are, etc. More than anything the wall is going to be kept around as a training aid. We are building a copy of the first wall with all the same materials to show how ammo selection works to NOT penetrate the walls. There is a difference between "knowing" what is going to happen and actually building the wall sections and SEEING what happens. Not everyone has fired rounds inside of a building. Lots of hollow-point ammo does the same thing as ball as the hollow cavity fills with drywall and material and punches straight through. But you don't know unless you do it and see, like why we did it in the first place. I'll make sure to post the pics and videos for the second test as well here.
 

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The demo wasn't only for home defense applications. Most of our training is DoD, .
but you started the post saying that this was a "home defense course..." ?

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Raidon Tactics held a home defense course Sunday for a small group of guys out at the range. Raidon brought out 3 wall sections built out of standard construction material to test and demonstrate penetration of common rounds inside a home.
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This demonstration shows that when shooting in your home in defense...
 

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I commend you for taking the time and money to set something like this up when you didn't have to for your course. I've found a couple of the following links to be helpful when looking at the effects of bullets on interior and exterior walls (tests aren't perfect, but good info):

Military tests weapon penetration inside structures, Part 1
Military tests weapon penetration inside structures, Part 2

Box O' Truth tests drywall penetration abilities.

Not really very informative for folks concerned about over penetration for inhome self defense though...

Is there really any surprise that ball ammo will penetrate wallboards :)

Why not use ammo that's more indicative of the type of pistol ammo folks would use, namely hollowpoints...

Why compare fragible 556 and birdshot? Why not use 12ga slugs and AP rounds..... :)
Maybe you could set up your own tests comparing the effects of hollowpoints, 12ga slugs, and AP rounds and post the results instead of nitpicking someone else's, eh?
 

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We see stories of people getting wounded and even killed while in their our homes most everyday. I recently did a ammo test for a guy who lives in a apartment complex and he was worried about how far his Federal Guard Dog might travel. My test was pretty basic and not all that scientific based but it did show a result I didn't think would happen. The lead core travel farther and separated.

 

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Props to Range 37 for at least trying to simulate real world results, especially for those that use ball ammunition on a regular basis as part of their jobs, or for those that use ball for SD.

It's hard enough to simulate every factor that could happen, but here's a chance to see what happens at the "user" level using common ammunition. Perhaps in the future you could continue with various commonly purchased HP ammo at a later time and post those results.

Good job, guys, and thanks!
 
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