What would you like for him, the President, to do? Censor movies and video games?

 

Yea... I'm down with letting the violent movies and video games off the hook. They haven't made me kill anyone yet and believe me some 12 year olds with a mic probably have it coming!

 

Yes, lets censor all media and entertainment that already troubled people might react poorly to.

 

I'm only posting to point out the hypocrisy of this entire gun control initiative. Nothing being proposed would have prevented Aurora or Newton.

On the other hand, movies and video games, which are being totally ignored in the gun control full-court press, seemed to have influence both James Holmes and Adam Lanza.

 

Movies and video games are protected under the 1st amendment. You cannot infringe 1A until you remove 2A and confiscate the weapons. Don't worry though, as soon as they get the guns, 1A will fall as well and we will have all state sponsored TV. Yay for socialism! At least I will not be here to see it.

 

On the other hand, movies and video games, which are being totally ignored in the gun control full-court press, seemed to have influence both James Holmes and Adam Lanza.

But again, what could you ever do about it? Any why would you want to? Are we to sell out the First Amendment in defense of the Second?

These spree shooters are lunatics. They're -I like chicken-crazy. That's the beginning and end of it. It's not a problem with society, they aren't the result of a broken education system, it's not a function of their upbringing, and it has nothing to do with video games. Not that any of those things helped matters, but they didn't cause it. So trying to address anything other than the underlying crazy is ineffective at best and counter productive at worst.

 

But again, what could you ever do about it?

The gun rights folks don't need to do anything about it - just publicize the hypocrisy and let the gun control advocates defend their decision to focus exclusively on guns while ignoring movies/video games, which studies demonstrate have a desensitizing effect on people. I.e., put those pushing gun control legislation between a rock and a hard place.

 

If it's ok to redact the 2nd why is the 1st not fair game too?
If we could tell the media "Thou Shalt Not print the names or faces of killers" Holmes, Lanza and any other pathetic psycho loner would never get the bright idea that shooting up a crowded room will put them on the glorious pantheon of assassins, serial killers, and mass murderers. We love to hate our monsters and it's so easy to go from nobody to anti-hero. We need to cut off the shortcut from obscurity to fame.

I seriously think this is the biggest part of the problem and the main "thing" that's changed in the past decades
Name all the US Presidents you can remember
Now name all the killers, the real ones, don't even include Hollywood
tell me which list is longer?

 

I play video games and watch violent movies. Should I have to stop because "some people" think it makes you kill people. That's like banning guns because people think they kill people...oh, wait....

 

Censorship is like telling a grown man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it.

Mark Twain

 

The gun rights folks don't need to do anything about it - just publicize the hypocrisy and let the gun control advocates defend their decision to focus exclusively on guns while ignoring movies/video games, which studies demonstrate have a desensitizing effect on people. I.e., put those pushing gun control legislation between a rock and a hard place.

That's what I'm saying. If, on the off chance they take you up on the suggestion to start campaigning against video games instead of guns, what have we really accomplished? Two wrongs don't make a right.

If we could tell the media "Thou Shalt Not print the names or faces of killers" Holmes, Lanza and any other pathetic psycho loner would never get the bright idea that shooting up a crowded room will put them on the glorious pantheon of assassins, serial killers, and mass murderers. We love to hate our monsters and it's so easy to go from nobody to anti-hero. We need to cut off the shortcut from obscurity to fame.

A government that can censor the press like you're suggesting can also take your guns away from you, so if you think you can trade one for the other, you're going to find yourself without either before long.

 

That's what I'm saying. If, on the off chance they take you up on the suggestion to start campaigning against video games instead of guns, what have we really accomplished? Two wrongs don't make a right.

LOL. Do you think there is any chance that the Democrats are going to screw Hollywood? I don't think so.

Divide and conquer. Just like they are attempting to do to gun owners.

"President Obama, Senate Democrats, how come you don't want to address Hollywood glorification of violence? Don't you care about the children??"

 

A government that can censor the press like you're suggesting can also take your guns away from you, so if you think you can trade one for the other, you're going to find yourself without either before long.

I realize this and I'm just venting a bit. However, I'd just like to point out that they (the FCC) can and DO censor the press now.

 

FACT - The information and images we take in on a daily basis DO have an affect on our behavior and the way we think. Violent Music and Video Games do affect people in some way. Biggest difference is what other information and imagery is a person also taking in? For the vast majority of those on this forum who may play those games, listen to violent music, or watch violent movies we are also feeding our brains with enough "reality" and "positive" that it makes it easy to recognize that stuff for what it really is....a game, movie, or song. For some people, all they see and hear is this fantasy violence and it can easily begin to affect how they see the world. I just posted this thread describing an experience with a 8yo kid I was teaching about firearms safety a couple weeks ago who had a lot of exposure to violent video games.

http://www.carolinashootersclub.com...1-Great-Day-Teaching-two-youngsters-about-firearm-safety!?p=1107789#post1107789

While we can't censor the games, movies, music we also can't act like they don't have an effect on people. Biggest problem arises in people who aren't having their minds fed with "good" stuff to counteract the negative. Sadly thats the case with a lot of kids these days.

 

When I was a kid we ran around with toy guns yelling BANG at each other... at that point I had no exposure to violent games and my parents weren't letting me watch rated R movies, etc... I'm pretty sure I would have been surprised at the reality of both the physics of shooting a gun and the damage it can cause but out of ignorance alone. If your only experience is toys, games, or movies of course you're going to be ignorant to the reality. Think of the first time you ever drove a car, you watched your parents do it for years... Were you surprised a bit by the effects that gravity, etc had on the vehicle? I know I was...

So yea... if you have firearms in the house and the little ones in the house are ignorant of the dangers, you have some education to do. Heck, before I was into hand gun shooting I'd just watched Top Shot and thought "hey that shot doesn't look THAT hard" Fast forward to now and my experience has taught me otherwise lol

 

Divide and conquer. Just like they are attempting to do to gun owners.

Divide and conquer what? Who? The Civilian Disarmament Crowd doesn't doesn't care about video games. They're trying to take something away from you, and your response is to suggest that they take something away from someone else instead? It's a fruitless distraction to spend time thinking about movies and video games as a viable tactic to preserve 2A rights.

LOL. Do you think there is any chance that the Democrats are going to screw Hollywood? I don't think so.

I don't either, but that doesn't mean it does any good to offer up a completely unrelated side-issue as part of the debate about guns. Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right, and even less so if one of them turns out to be a big bunch of nothing.

I realize this and I'm just venting a bit. However, I'd just like to point out that they (the FCC) can and DO censor the press now.

They regulate over-the-air broadcast transmissions and that's all. Cable, satellite, print, internet, etc. are not under FCC regulation.

 

I do not believe in censorship, I believe in parenting. However, I get really tired of celebrities going on tv one day to "demand a plan" for gun control and starring in the latest shoot em up/blow 'em up blockbuster the next week. Leave my guns alone and I will leave your movies alone.

 

Divide and conquer what? Who? The Civilian Disarmament Crowd doesn't doesn't care about video games. They're trying to take something away from you, and your response is to suggest that they take something away from someone else instead? It's a fruitless distraction to spend time thinking about movies and video games as a viable tactic to preserve 2A rights.

Divide liberals.

Make those proposing gun control legislation defend the decision to do nothing about the glorification of violence in movies and video games. I think the general public understands that glorifying violence does influence some people, so I think you could get people to question a gun control push that does not address this issue. And the instant some antis suggest incorporating something along those lines, you'll have plenty of liberals fight against that.

 

Make those proposing gun control legislation defend the decision to do nothing about the glorification of violence in movies and video games.

There's nothing for them to defend, because addressing video games is as much of a non-solution as gun control is.

 

There's nothing for them to defend, because addressing video games is as much of a non-solution as gun control is.

We will have to agree to disagree. I think movies and television are a corrupting influence - and not just on children (more than a few women have abandoned their families after watching Eat, Pray, Love). Anyone familiar with Alfred Bernays' work understands that this programming can bypass the cerebrum and make an impact in the limbic brain.

Does that mean all viewers will be corrupted? Of course not. But to deny the influence of movies and television is naive.

Again, that is not to say gun rights groups should push for such restrictions, but rather, question aloud why those pushing to curtail gun rights aren't addressing an issue that I think a majority of Americans would agree plays a role in violent crime in America.

Similarly, we should be asking why this 'national conversation' does not include the topic of psychotropic drugs, which have been involved in nearly all of the random victim mass shootings.

 

Guns don't kill people....people kill people.

Movies don't kill people....people kill people.

Video games don't kill people....people kill people.

And so forth and so on.


Let keep the blame on the folks perpetrating the crimes, mmmmkay?



EDIT: Psychotropic drugs may very well have something to do with people killing people.

 

Hollywood types are all hypocrites and future politicians. They lie like children and think they are above us normies.

 

EDIT: Psychotropic drugs may very well have something to do with people killing people.

That's a very small risk. Everything has a risk. Driving may have more of a risk of harming someone than taking these meds. Statistically speaking they are very effective and successful at helping some people live a normal life.

 

I'm only posting to point out the hypocrisy of this entire gun control initiative. Nothing being proposed would have prevented Aurora or Newton.

On the other hand, movies and video games, which are being totally ignored in the gun control full-court press, seemed to have influence both James Holmes and Adam Lanza.

^^ This. Its about the hypocrisy. Then again how much money was contributed to the BHO Campaign from Hollywood? Im sure alot more than pro-gun organizations. Politics are all about special interest, lobbyist and money, but tose are all the same arent they?

 

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