Also this piece too:

...The FBI and several major police departments recently decided to return to using the 9mm round after finding that .40 caliber ammunition was causing excessive wear on its service pistols. The heavier bullet and greater recoil over time resulted in frame damage to well respected makes such as Glock and Beretta, according to Ernest Langdon, a shooting instructor and respected competitive pistol shooter who has worked for gun makers such as Beretta, Smith & Wesson, and Sig Sauer.

"Most of the guns in .40 caliber on the market right now were actually designed to be 9mm originally and then turned into .40 calibers later," Langdon told Military.com...

I hadn't heard this. WOnder if it'll cause some manufacturers to design a 40-specific frame/gun?

 

Looks like some surplus in the future!

 

INteresting that they'd consider non-NATO calibers. That pops a lot of "NATO is gonna patrol the streets of 'Merica" conspiracy theories...

Maybe the 9mm in storage is for NATO and the 'planners' don't want US troops to be able to use it?

I need more coffee...

-R

 

It will go 45acp or 9mm. Forget 40 and 357. Thats a non-starter, lastly on this topic until you can get a quality American made DA/SA or SA with a hammer with external safety, this will not move forward.

Striker fired is in the system now, (G19) with a NSN but that will not do.

 

until you can get a quality American made DA/SA or SA with a hammer with external safety, this will not move forward.

Hmmm....sounds an awful lot like a 3rd Gen S&W updated with newer materials to reduce weight would be a contender. Ambi Safety/Decocker, proven design, good ergos...

 

The 'ol .40 may have a shot at this one. You could stay with a smaller frame and have a nice flat meplat on your fmj ammo as opposed to the rounded 9mm.

 

Why not .45 GAP?

 

Why not .45 GAP?

Ammo availability and cost

The 'ol .40 may have a shot at this one. You could stay with a smaller frame and have a nice flat meplat on your fmj ammo as opposed to the rounded 9mm.

I think they'll go back to .45ACP before something like .40 or .357 Sig

 

From the article...
"I talked to a Chicago cop that shot a guy eight times with a .45 to kill him and that was a 230 grain Hydra-Shok," Langdon said. "And that guy now carries a 9mm …he realized that handgun bullets suck. "You have to shoot people a lot with a handgun."

WTF? 8 times, what, did he miss 7 times...In my personal experience, the .45 has always been effective, 2 rds max, somtimes 3, but that round was personal. Hanguns do what they are supposed to do when utilized within the context of their individual design, by trained, competent individuals. An LEO that uses 8 230gr rounds, hyro-shock or not, to put down one individual, is neither trained or competent in the use of his or her sidearm.
And if he was on PCP or something else, ventilating the cranial cavity is harder, but always effective.
I grew up with the 45 and some us never put it down...
Just my thoughts, but reading something like that irritates me

 

I have no problem with 9mm and modern defensive ammo.

If you limit me to NATO rules and no expanding ammo, I'll take 45 acp or 45 acp. Or maybe 45 acp. Possibly 45 acp, too. I'd accept 10mm, but by the time you load it down to make it manable for the rank and file...you may as well go with 45 acp.

Why not .45 GAP?

I'm sure Glock is wondering that. It's a question that has never been answered, and likely never will. These days 45 acp pistols aren't giant beasts that no one can grip, so if you're going to limit capacity...45acp would be more economical and give the same results.

 

F...In my personal experience, the .45 has always been effective, 2 rds max, somtimes 3, but that round was personal.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better at night...

 

It'll take 10 years before this comes to pass anyway.

 

All hand gun calibers suck, that's why capacity is king.

 

It will go 45acp or 9mm. Forget 40 and 357. Thats a non-starter, lastly on this topic until you can get a quality American made DA/SA or SA with a hammer with external safety, this will not move forward.
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Boom, done. With a company that already has .mil contracts. Just subtract trimmings and add a volume discount. It's BIG in the hand, but so is an m9a1.

Uncle Sam hasn't caught on to poly too well. I think they'll need something like that, but with an alloy frame. I'm no sig fan, but it looks like they'd give the p227 a shot, too. It lacks that pesky safety, though.

 

^^ Nice

 

I think they'll go back to .45ACP before something like .40 or .357 Sig

You may very well be right. My thinking is that the smaller frame would make it easier to accommodate females and others with small hands. Whatever caliber they go with, it will really change the dynamics of the ammo market for that round.

 

I got it from a reliable source that our esteemed Govment is leaning toward the American made Hi Point 9mm!

 

I got it from a reliable source that our esteemed Govment is leaning toward the American made Hi Point 9mm!

Would give a viable alternative in close quarters over a bayonet.

 

Look at the four pistols in US Army inventory now, then the 6 in the Navy.

Between the 3 non-repeats you have your answer.

Thats how I see it, contract testing is done, filing is done, caliber and projectile is type casted, all the paperwork is already done.

To bring in a new caliber it has to be a muti-nation program, everyone is fine with 45acp for suppressed use and 9mm for dropping people. So that is done, unless some unique requirement comes up, but that would fall under non-nato and non-geneva convention players. For these areas and the units that pay in it, the pistols are on life cycle now anyhow.

John

 

All hand gun calibers suck, that's why capacity is king.

When me and you agree on something, I start getting nervous.

 

Hmmm....sounds an awful lot like a 3rd Gen S&W updated with newer materials to reduce weight would be a contender. Ambi Safety/Decocker, proven design, good ergos...

I wonder if that's why were seeing so many cheap M&P's; some even listed as clearance.

 

I wonder if that's why were seeing so many cheap M&P's; some even listed as clearance.

Nope,

These sales are from department guns that have canceled orders I would ASSUME.

John

 

So we're going back to a .45 until someone comes out with a .46

 

So we're going back to a .45 until someone comes out with a .46

Isn't that obvious to the most casual observer?

-R

 

In before the 1911 fanboys.