[turkeydance]

here's the link:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...rrantless-use-of-hidden-surveillance-cameras/

 

[Remshooter]

Hope they have a big budget for camera's, or avoid hunting seasons at the rate deer cams are stolen.

 

[sr30]

This is unreal. I have no words for this.

 

[Luke Cage]

Doesn't seem constitutional IMO.

 

[Hamman]

You will soon need one of these.

http://spy-nexus.com/bug-detectors/mcd-22h-detect-phone-and-room-bugs-wiretaps/

 

[jrgreen]

I don't think that this could withstand an appeal.

 

[Hamman]

As cheap as drones are getting they could just fly over and take a few pictures without a warrant.

 

[Chdamn]

I don't think that this could withstand an appeal.

I said the same thing about no knock warrants.

We'll see I guess.

 

[mikep7m10]

The police and legally lie to you but you could go to jail if you lie to them. I think they can do pretty much anything they want to. Beside, who are you going to complain to?

 

[Quick Shot]

At what point do we cut through the crap and call these Injustice Department employees and these "Judges" what they are, traitors.

 

[Vinegar Joe]

Sounds like a good way for a trespasser to get shot.

 

[gunbelt]

Nut cuttin time?

 

[jrlcamp]

Not constitutional. It would fall on its face in an appeal. Just like no knock searches are illegal as well unless there are exigent circumstances.

 

[Shortfuze]

I think they would make good rimfire targets if found. Or finance the next gun purchase by selling them on ebay. Bad idea to try and sneak on someones land and screw around easy way to get shot, makes me think of texas where you can legally shoot a tresspasser.

 

[Daisy Duster]

Add's another problem for those that do their learning out behind the barn.

 

[CTsniper]

If they are wireless I will find them. As a HAM radio operator we have equipment that locates anything transmitting a signal. Yes this is unconstitutional and getting waaaay out of hand. When will America wake up?

 

[NCPatrolAR]

I dont see how it will withstand an appeal.

 

[Luke Cage]

If it was my property they would have come back to missing camera's

 

[rgardner]

As far as I understand it (from my time as an intern who worked with the feds) its the premiss of reasonable expectation of privacy. you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your home, bathroom, car, maybe your backyard if you install a privacy fence. However your front yard is very typically openly visible to any one on the street, Officers and Agents do not have to have a warrants to sit in their cars and do surveillance on you and thats how the cameras came to be. Its much easier for cover to be blown sitting there than watching a secure online database of cameras.

Most of these cams go up on light/power poles.... put up by "power co" or "phone co" reps. They target areas visible from the street. This is not trespass because of the proximity of MOST power poles to the public right of way (the road and sidewalks.) It's not a violation of civil rights because you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the areas targeted... Think of it like this... if your on the sidewalk in NY, or downtown Charlotte these days, do you expect to have any privacy? Probably not. What about a park? Nope. Same goes for any street or sidewalk in the nation even if its your residential street.

NC/Federal Wildlife officers use deer cams on private property all the time to stop poaching and illegal taking of game. ATF trespasses looking for moonshiners... not as frequent as in the past but still happens. The reasoning is again... that the area your hunting/shining in does not meet the same requirements for a reasonable expectation of privacy (complete privacy.) The premise of curtilage is that you have the right to attempt to stop people from infringing on your privacy, however as it is impossible to secure large acreage the same as a home or vehicle it does not meet the same requirements. (rough explanation)

While I do not agree with the idea of these officers being able to go where they please, if your not doing dumb stuff on your property its not an issue. One thing a lot of people fail to remember is that the vast majority of agents and officers are JUST LIKE US! They are not out to get you because you shoot, or collect guns, or drink on the weekends. These cameras cost THOUSANDS of dollars to use a week (secure wireless data transfers, secure websites, secure internet services, etc.) They are watching people we all want off the streets... Career Thieves, Possible Kidnappers, Drug traffickers/Manufacturers/Distributers, High Level Gang Members...

Sometimes I wonder why there are sooooo many skeptics in the gun community and I am sure that people who are on the outside looking in at all this stuff wonder why so many of us feel the need to be threatened by Law Enforcement.

 

[toddje]

As far as I understand it (from my time as an intern who worked with the feds) its the premiss of reasonable expectation of privacy. you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your home, bathroom, car, maybe your backyard if you install a privacy fence. However your front yard is very typically openly visible to any one on the street, Officers and Agents do not have to have a warrants to sit in their cars and do surveillance on you and thats how the cameras came to be. Its much easier for cover to be blown sitting there than watching a secure online database of cameras.

These cams go up on light/power poles.... put up by "power co" or "phone co" reps. They target areas visible from the street. This is not trespass because of the proximity of MOST power poles to the public right of way (the road and sidewalks.) It's not a violation of civil rights because you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the areas targeted... Think of it like this... if your on the sidewalk in NY, or downtown Charlotte these days, do expect to have any privacy? Probably not. Same goes for any street or sidewalk in the nation even if its your residential street.

One thing a lot of people fail to remember is that the vast majority of agents and officers are JUST LIKE US! They are not out to get you because you shoot, or collect guns, or drink on the weekends. These cameras cost THOUSANDS of dollars to use a week (secure wireless data transfers, secure websites, secure internet services, etc.) They are watching people we all want off the streets... Career Thieves, Possible Kidnappers, Drug traffickers/Manufacturers/Distributers, High Level Gang Members...

Sometimes I wonder why there are sooooo many skeptics in the gun community and I am sure that people who are on the outside looking in at all this stuff wonder why so many of us feel the need to be threatened by Law Enforcement.

To me the big issue is that this is about surveillance without a warrant. Not that they're DOING surveillance, but that they're doing it without a check&balance...

My other beef is that you don't get to have any expectation of privacy anywhere but in the crapper or your house. They've abused that whole idea.