Might want to check your facts on the Glenn Beck stabbing Trump comment.


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Pushing it hard ain't you bro.....

 

Seems like he was talking about the co host and his bad shoe joke, not Trump.

 

He hated his bad shoe joke enough to stab it and not stop? Sounds like an "explanation" from a 10 year old about why he really did not do what you know he did.

 

Even without the stabbing nonsense. Beck is completely unhinged.

 

You are aware that there are many who probably think the exact same thing about you?

Not saying me...of course...but am sure there are others....just saying.

 

Tanstalfl72555,
I am half tempted to like that post, but don't want to be the first person to ever like a post of yours. And I probably don't agree with all of it, but you do make a valid overall point.

This divide between the so called Religious Right and the more secular or Libertarian side has to be bridged somehow for the good of us all. The two, or more, factions agree on about 90% of the issues. And that is a lot better than both groups get along with the Commies in the Democrat Party. Now how this is all going to happen I haven't a clue. Beck might be loooney, but his suggestion that we need a modern Geroge Washington might not be far off. Someone strong enough and wise enough to bring together the various non-commie groups in the US would be nice. But he certainly doesn't have to be a Geroge clone.

 

I greatly admire Washington. He was a giant of a man, and we could use more like him. I just think we should tell the truth about him and not make up a bunch of lies to manipulate people into thinking he stood for or believed in a bunch of stuff he clearly did not.

 

So, what do you recommend?


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What Washington did. Revolt.

 

CSC should have a troll of the year award.

 

They do. It is right next to the "I can't help but respond to the dog whistle and then gripe about it" award.

 

So, your calling me a dog? Dog.
Yes I did that on purpose .

 

You actually couldnt be further from correct Tans. I actually do like you, quite a bit. I feel you are a very intelligent person and can contribute a lot to the forum and to the knowledge base at large. However, it gets weary when you seem to post over and over about how terrible the system is and that we should do something, but your only answer is "just say no". It comes accross like Michael Scott from "The Office" who declared bankruptcy by just saying "I declare bankruptcy" and believing that all of his debts were forgiven. It doesnt work that way. You actually have to "do" something. Not just "Say no".

If you mean, "We should stop trusting the republicans" then for the most part, you are preaching to the choir. And that too becomes tiresome. It comes across as self aggrandizement to repeatedly come in and say "See, see! Look how bad these guys are, just like I told you!" and the rest of us lean back and say "Yeah...we kinda knew that...but thanks...".

So no, I am not baiting you, I am asking you again to explain exactly what "just say no" means, and I will continue to do so. The "Nancy Reagan" approach did not win the war on drugs, and it certainly wont win the war on tyranny.

 

You actually couldnt be further from correct Tans. I actually do like you, quite a bit. I feel you are a very intelligent person and can contribute a lot to the forum and to the knowledge base at large. However, it gets weary when you seem to post over and over about how terrible the system is and that we should do something, but your only answer is "just say no". It comes accross like Michael Scott from "The Office" who declared bankruptcy by just saying "I declare bankruptcy" and believing that all of his debts were forgiven. It doesnt work that way. You actually have to "do" something. Not just "Say no".

If you mean, "We should stop trusting the republicans" then for the most part, you are preaching to the choir. And that too becomes tiresome. It comes across as self aggrandizement to repeatedly come in and say "See, see! Look how bad these guys are, just like I told you!" and the rest of us lean back and say "Yeah...we kinda knew that...but thanks...".

So no, I am not baiting you, I am asking you again to explain exactly what "just say no" means, and I will continue to do so. The "Nancy Reagan" approach did not win the war on drugs, and it certainly wont win the war on tyranny.

It is difficult to know how to respond to this.
let me at least give it a "stab".....

1) We have to get rid of the idea that we once had a "good" government and that restoring that government should be our goal.
2) We have to get rid of the idea that elections are the way to reform government
3) We have to get rid of the idea that good men in positions of power can transform government from bad to good.

Before we move on to "what to do," those ideas have to be in the forefront. If it sounds like I am "harping" on them, it is precisely because so many people believe in them. DO NOT TELL ME THIS IS NOT TRUE IN THIS FORUM. I have had people argue these exact points repeatedly. I have had people argue much more egregiously silly points here in this forum, such as the possibility and desireability of maintaining a strong, aggressive, internationally active military overseas and a socially conservative and restricted government domestically. It is a fiction to maintain that there is agreement in here over much past "government sucks"... but you would get agreement on THAT from Bernie Sanders HQ.

This thread started out as pointing out how item #3 is being waggled out there primarily by a few people who are hostile to LIBERTY in the name of CONSERVATISM.

I note that in here if someone rants about a person with balls going into a female restroom, pointing out the absurdity, stupidity and mindlessness of it being the law (pre h2b) is not "trolling" nor is it reacted to with hostility or asking 21 times "so what exactly do you plan to do if you encounter a dude going into the bathroom?"

If someone in here responds that this is reasonable, or that Charlotte should enact legislation here, then we would START by describing why this is a bad idea, and you and others would hammer on that till you pounded the nail in good.

I see little difference, here. These people, and the shrieks of the neocons and Christian right, are both tiresome and nonsensical. They are fighting the wrong war.

 

Claiming "I never used this language" when one has made precisely these arguments using similar words is the behavior of a sophist. It is using technical precision to deny what is plainly truth.

I stand by the original claim.

 

It is your opinion that I specifically made those arguments. When challenged to prove it you again fail to do so.

I have no issue with disagreeing with you. But I do take issue with you being a slanderer and a liar.

 

Are you asking me to cut and paste this entire thread? Really? You made every single one of these arguments just here.
I think it best we ignore the last sentence. Mods, and all that.

 

Are you asking me to cut and paste this thread? Really? You made every single one of these arguments just here.
I think it best we ignore the last sentence. Mods, and all that.

I am asking you to prove your claim that I have ever made any of those arguments or made any of those points. Until then I stand by my claim that you are a slanderer and a liar.

It is highly conceited of you to think you can claim one believes a certain way and then be excused from actually having to prove it.

So until you can back up your accusations with fact then you are at best dishonest, at worst a cowardly liar that will post anything he wishes because he is too lazy to defend them from actual scrutiny.

 

On the FNF card for Tuesday. Booger, "The Trolling Preacher" vs Tans, "The Deserter".

 

Don't forget SPST the "Empty Vessel"

 

Oh, that's a good one Preacher. I bet it took you all morning to come up with that. You better focus on Tans, he likes to write way more than me.

 

Wow, at most 10 minutes between you post and mine, but "all morning" sure.

But yes, Tans is quite verbose.

 

Somehow, I am always offline when these things come to a head.

 

It is all cool. Really.

It is a fundamental difference in how we view the state and society. Ain't nothing new.

I can see Boog got a little excited, but it is the internet, after all.

 

Again, more fluff and no substance. Saying something is a certain way doesn't make it so. Saying we view things differently without actually explaining how doesn't make it so. And saying I got a little excited doesn't mean it's so either. After all, I'm not the one who was being deceitful.

 

I'm not a Rhodes Scholar but didn't Tans say he would advise doing it through a passive revolt?

 

And didn't I ask, a few times, to explain exactly what he means by "passive revolt"? There are many kinds of passive revolt. asking what specifically he has in mind should be simple to answer. But it's easier, apparently, to write long essays hat never actual answer anything.

 

In every civilization, however generally prosaic, however addicted to the short-time point of view on human affairs, there are always certain alien spirits who, while outwardly conforming to the requirements of the civilization around them, still keep a disinterested regard for the plain intelligible law of things, irrespective of any practical end. They have an intellectual curiosity, sometimes touched with emotion, concerning the august order of nature; they are impressed by the contemplation of it, and like to know as much about it as they can, even in circumstances where its operation is ever so manifestly unfavourable to their best hopes and wishes.

 

It's pretty simple. Examples would include things like refusing to pay taxes, ignoring laws and essentially just thumbing your nose at Gov. If everyone or at least a large majority did this, things would begin to change.

 

How is it that you, of all people, could manage to answer in one short post what Tans continues not to do.

 

I'm a man of few words.

 

That initial post was not...ah, terribly objective.

 

No. Not intended to be. Wild maniacal shrieks bellowing out that we have lost the party and lost the country and all is permanently destroyed tend to upset my placid state of dispassionate analysis

 

You mean I fail to hit a happy medium between "just say no" and a recap of the Federal Register? Gee who would have ever thought that possible?

 

The System is not going to wither from your neglect. I tried that with the Catholic church and I'm still waiting for that call from the Pope.

 

While I get the concept that if enough people refuse to feed the Govt system it will collapse, the question remains exactly how? How do you not pay income tax when it is taken before your cut? How do yourself not pay sales tax or get businesses to stop collecting it? How do you do the same with other taxes? In short, how do we the people de fund the Govt? The politicos will never agree to do so despite their rhetoric.

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While I get the concept that if enough people raise to feed the Govt system it will collapse, the question remains exactly how? How do you not pay income tax when it is taken before your cut? How do yourself not pay sales tax or get businesses to stop collecting it? How do you do the same with other taxes? In short, how do we the people de fund the Govt? The politicos will never agree to do so despite their rhetoric.

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You "Just say no".

 

Glossaphobe!!

 

poopy head!

 

Sales tax avoidance is the easiest, but that hurts the State and local governments primarily. And pulling a Galt is not really practical for most people. The image of sitting in the woods somewhere with my hoarded guns, ammo and offspring while fishing for dinner is great until I really get into the details. Once again, not practical. I'd like to think millions of people could independently make choices that would starve the Federal beast, and bring it to its knees, but realistically I don't see it. They control the money (Fed Reserve & banks), the water (EPA) and even the energy sector. At the end of the day people like food, shelter and security. If they can get their Dancing with the stars for an hour at night it is all good. A small number of people could theoretically drop out, live off grid and attempt to starve the beast, but not enough to make a dent. Plus in case nobody noticed they are simply bringing in more compliant subjects to offset the native that are disenchanted. And those people could just get locked up for tax avoidance, poaching or whatever charge the evil bastards want to make stick anyway.

Coming up with an idea that doesn't involve lots of bloodshed and death is not easy. Otherwise it would have been done already. And usually the people advocating violence or stiffing the IRS are not actively jumping in line to lead the civil disobedience charge. What do they say, lots of sounds and fury signifying nothing?

 

Sales tax avoidance is the easiest, but that hurts the State and local governments primarily. And pulling a Galt is not really practical for most people. The image of sitting in the woods somewhere with my hoarded guns, ammo and offspring while fishing for dinner is great until I really get into the details. Once again, not practical. I'd like to think millions of people could independently make choices that would starve the Federal beast, and bring it to its knees, but realistically I don't see it. They control the money (Fed Reserve & banks), the water (EPA) and even the energy sector. At the end of the day people like food, shelter and security. If they can get their Dancing with the stars for an hour at night it is all good. A small number of people could theoretically drop out, live off grid and attempt to starve the beast, but not enough to make a dent. Plus in case nobody noticed they are simply bringing in more compliant subjects to offset the native that are disenchanted. And those people could just get locked up for tax avoidance, poaching or whatever charge the evil bastards want to make stick anyway.

Coming up with an idea that doesn't involve lots of bloodshed and death is not easy. Otherwise it would have been done already. And usually the people advocating violence or stiffing the IRS are not actively jumping in line to lead the civil disobedience charge. What do they say, lots of sounds and fury signifying nothing?

It might surprise you how many people now live as much as possible "off the radar." That number is growing, too
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