Ahh, I feel great about it. Why do you have any other feelings?

 

I lived in Vermont for a while.... No problems there.

I think the whole country should be this way.

 

Dont get me wrong I think that the ability to carry a weapon can help prevent a lot of situations and make the person carrying feel more secure but I like the fact that everyone who is carrying has had the proper training to do so. Not knowing how to properly use the weapon is also dangerous.

 

Dont get me wrong I think that the ability to carry a weapon can help prevent a lot of situations and make the person carrying feel more secure but I like the fact that everyone who is carrying has had the proper training to do so. Not knowing how to properly use the weapon is also dangerous.

Proper training???

You have got to be BSing.

If you think a concealed carry class is proper training, you have another 'think' coming.

The class covers less than the bare minimum and is only 'useful' if the instructor really hits the legal aspects hard.

 

The "proper training" currently required is to make sure you know the laws on what you can do and where you can go. It has little to do with being able to actually shoot or properly handle your weapon under stress.

+1 to the idea of making this nation-wide. I'm sending a copy of the link to our state rep and senator and suggesting they take it up for action.

CB

 

"What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.

Now there's a novel concept...who would have thought of that. We NEED THESE GUYS IN NC.

And as far as CCW training. My class dealt specifically and in depth about the LEGALATIES of carrying concealed. No firearm training took place. Unless you want to count the ridiculously easy live fire "test" portion that did little more than show your gun would function and you could hit a paper B-27 target most of the time.

 

+1 to the idea of making this nation-wide. I'm sending a copy of the link to our state rep and senator and suggesting they take it up for action.

CB

I agree, but don`t look for the Sheriff`s dept`s or the state to give up the $$

 

I learned a lot more than "how to shoot" in my CCW class.

But I'd say let's boot all these idiots we got in there now and bring these people in!

 

Proper training???

The class covers less than the bare minimum and is only 'useful' if the instructor really hits the legal aspects hard.

Agreed but some training is better than none.

 

This has been going well for alaska and vermont for years now. What is not to like??

 

PHOENIX – The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states — Illinois and Wisconsin — prohibit them altogether.Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue."What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety."We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.___Associated Press writer Paul Davenport contributed to this report.

 

What's not to like? For those of you feeling shakey about this I have the same age old question for you... What part of "shall not be infringed" did you not understand?

 

Dont get me wrong I think that the ability to carry a weapon can help prevent a lot of situations and make the person carrying feel more secure but I like the fact that everyone who is carrying has had the proper training to do so. Not knowing how to properly use the weapon is also dangerous.

"Proper training" = "which end of the weapon does the round come out" I suppose.

 

+1 for Arizona. Criminals will be armed with or without a permit.

 

I think If you are legally able to buy a gun then you should have the right to carry it how you choose.

 

+1 for Arizona. Criminals will be armed with or without a permit.

they are already armed

 

Training requirements for gun ownership or carrying are tantamount to a poll tax or intelligence/literacy testing before voting. They are wrong and UNCONSTITUTIONAL (ILLEGAL).

VT, AK, and AZ are three states that appear to understand what the Bill of Rights says and means.

There are six states which deregulate (from Federal scope and authority) all firearms manufactured within their states' borders, as well.

Will NC ever join either of these two groups? Given this state's historical failure to recognize the Civil Rights of citizens, most likely not.

 

+1 Arizona for doing the right thing. Like Ted Nugent said, "the 2nd Amendment is my concealed carry permit".

 

It's about time my home state passed that! Only thing that sucks is I don't live there anymore and when I did I had my permit.

Does that mean that the current AZ CCW that I posses doesn't offer me recipricoity anymore for NC? I'm planning on gettting my NC CCW in a few months anyways. Just want to make sure I'm not breaking any laws.

 

Since the new law doesn't affect what you had to do to get your AZ CCW permit I would think it's still fine.

 

Whats life like in AZ?

 

I lived in Vermont for a while.... No problems there.

I think the whole country should be this way.

Lived in VT for one year. No worries at all. Hell everyone carried that I came across. It is a non issue for law abiding citizens.

 

Vermont, Montana, Alaska and now Arizona

 

It's about time my home state passed that! Only thing that sucks is I don't live there anymore and when I did I had my permit.

Does that mean that the current AZ CCW that I posses doesn't offer me recipricoity anymore for NC? I'm planning on gettting my NC CCW in a few months anyways. Just want to make sure I'm not breaking any laws.

From what I read... the current CCW permit in AZ is still in effect. For example, if you have an AZ CCW you can carry a gun into a place that serves alcohol. If you do not have a CCW you can carry a gun but not in places that serve alcohol.

 

awesome.that will be my home state in about 12 years