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So when can we expect a heartfelt, soulful song from the lumberjack about crossing The Thin Tree Line?

The lobsterman or tuna captain about crossing The Thin Monofilament Line?

The plane captain about crossing The Thin Flightline?

The garbageman's crooning over crossing The Thin Trash Line?

The farmer lamenting having to cross The Thin Tobacco Line?

The lineman about crossing The Thin Power Line?

The foreman about crossing The Thin Chalk Line?

I'm not trying to be an ass about this, but the propaganda pieces making it out that LE faces death and danger at a much higher rate than "the sheep" in society is a load of crap and is meant to justify or deflect blame when things go wrong.
 
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You know, I would....but this "we're the real victims " nonsense is no better than the emotional "think of the children!" cries from the anti-Rights crowd.

We don't tolerate that from them, and I've really gotten over making exceptions when facts stare one right in the face.
 
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Hey SPM, If you don't like it GTFO. No one asked you to comment and until you walk a beat and serve your community you don't rate a response.
That is a very dangerous point of view. Be careful. If you are not one the chosen or favored classes in a discussion the you can't comment or have an opinion? Wow, we are really far gone. If that really is the LEO opinion we are so screwed.
 
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This is all a bunch of nonsense if you ask me. I don't give a flip if you wear a uniform, an astronaut suit, or smoke crack on Mars. We have major problems in our country and in our world.

To the OP, and my intention is not to insult. However, if you want to come on here and challenge another member to "walk a beat", then I challenge you to explain to all of us on here why law enforcement is having overwhelming issues in the PR department.

We are living in interesting times folks.
 
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...and this thread is a prime example of why there is a problem in the LEO/community mixing pot. Here we are at CSC, presumably all of at least one common hub of ideas, and we can't even get along amicably without sides forming and people wanting to grandstand.

I'm not trying to disrespect either "side" of the argument. Both have faults. Sheepdog: my brother is a retired cop and I'd have these conversations with him weekly about how hardened LEo has become and that in itself presents the spark for fire in most volatile environments. He wouldn't ever really listen and would go on about how tough it is to fight hardened criminals and how the crosshairs are on him every day. I get that...but when you see the tracks are out up ahead, you try to stop the train and get it repaired or on another track. SPM: I get where you're coming from too. You make good points in many threads. But is there a need to make a point while kicking out someone's kneecaps...someone who's presumably on your side for a majority of topics (albeit the ones that he likely disagrees on are big ones for you).

I'm not trying to talk down to anyone or play schoolyard monitor here. Just pointing out that you're all acting like asses at the drop of a hat with no good outcome in sight...except for the truly bad side sitting back watching us rot form the inside out. I see it so many times on this forum...
 
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Over 90% of all on the job fatalities are men.
Not surprised to roofing on their.
Explains why MA workers comp insurance for roofers is so high. In MA, legally licensed and insured roofing companies have to pay $0.85 in Workers Comp insurance per $1.00 pay to roofers. That also explains why illegal roofers can undercut on price so much.
 
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Don't matter what you do for a living. We all get up and suit up, whether that suit is a uniform or a pair of overalls, we go to do our job. We go to the job that we chose or agreed to do, and we do it so we can keep the wolves from our door. We all are just trying to make a living, and come home to people that do love us at the end of the day.
It doesn't matter what job you are doing when you die while doing it. You are doing your job and you are just as dead and your loved ones hurt just a badly.
We don't have a caste system here in this country, or do we? If we do it is because we are causing it our self.
Not everyone on the chart above may have to kill or be killed in doing their job, the job they chose. But does that make their death less than another one's?
Or does it make their death more meaningful because they die in uniform rather than a pair of logging boots?

These days a soldier is a soldier because they want to be. A house painter is a house painter because they want to be. And A police officer is a police officer because they want to be. All three of these know the risks involved with doing their jobs.
Just do your job and shut up. If you don't like it then change jobs. If you are doing a job for the empathy and sympathy or any sort of special respect you think you are entitled to, then you are some kind of egotistical narcissist.

But no matter what job you do, it doesn't give you the right to be abusive to others. If that shoe fits..........

I'm not here to blast anyone, so no one take this personally. But we need to come together, and not let us become divide as the current potus wants us to be.
Just take a chill pill, calm down, suit up and do your job and don't blast anyone else for the job they chose to do.

My belief is that we are all accountable to one person in the end. What we have done will be addressed at that time. There isn't but one way to find out if my belief is true or not. I'm sure none of us on here are in a hurry to find that out.
Primum non nocere
 
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I'm not so sure it's as cut and dry as some of you'd like it to be. I respect where you're coming from; I don't go looking for sympathy or movements related to my career, and I can see how it can be annoying (perceived or real) for others to do so.

The difference is that some professions get unsolicited hatred and other undue tangible threats to them--above all other normal occupational hazards like breaking a bone or getting burned by something. I'm not here to be LEO's defense attorney, nor am I going to put any other occupations below the value of a LEO. I'm saying it's foolish for both sides to put down the other instead of supporting each other. One group has been unfairly targeted and gone from a profession of public honor to that of an immediate "they're out to get me" mistrust or worse by folks. The other group has to watch the resulting "woes me" campaigns and see a certain group made out to be the patron saints of civilization.
 
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I hope that it doesn't make him a Pariah here, but @Qball50 is good people and I didn't take offense to what we discussed. My invitation to discuss the matter is an open one and I even welcome PM's with questions about what I do and how if is done from members here.
I welcome the interactions with other members here and would love to help educate people on Police Procedure. If you want a serious discussion I am happy to contribute, but if you just want to rant and denigrate you can look elsewhere.

Dave, I never get out that way, but if we ever find ourselves in the same AO and Hungry Lunch is on me.
Lunch is on me my friend if we ever get the opportunity. Thank you for the gracious reply. I really meant what I said to another member about why I asked you about the PR deal. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. I honestly wanted to know your take on it and your answer was good enough for me.

My apologies for stepping into your thread. I only did so when it started to go negative. I've met SPM and he's a great guy. I think we all let our emotions overtake our senses and that's how these things can get out of hand. Your response to me reinforces my admiration of this forum and it's members. Take care......... Dave
 
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Your Stats are from 2013, this is well before the "war on cops" that is currently happening. 2015/2016 have been the deadliest years for Police in the history of record keeping. I never said that it was the MOST dangerous profession and never even alluded to it. What I said is that the song "struck a mchord with me", apparently it struck a different chord with you.
Whoa whoa, whoa, slow your roll Detective Alonzo Harris.

I had voluntarily bowed out of "your" post, per your rude request, and stayed out of it until you decided to summon me back into it. I've been chewing on it all day - whether to respond or not. Had you just let the issue die, or at least been halfway respectful in re-involving me, I might have simply ignored it. But apparently the sauce induces you to act when no action is required.

There is no "war on cops" save for the one in your head.

2015/2016 are not even close to being "the deadliest years for Police in the history of record keeping." In fact, 2015 is second only to 2013 for being the safest year to be a cop since 1887 according to the Officer Down Memorial Page. Both in per capita firearm-related deaths and total deaths, fewer police are dying as a result of being shot in the last 129 years, ad are nearing levels not seen since 1870. The "highest years on record" occurred in the 1920s and 1930s during Prohibition.

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Further to the point, if you're going to argue that the above only takes into account firearm deaths and doesn't show the "big picture," data from 1900 to 2014 of all police deaths per 1 million residents still show a declining trend, with rates at a 114 year low, with an uptick and subsequent reversal in the 1970s, and a small spike representing the officers killed on 9/11. This data is from the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.

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Looking more closely from 1971 to 2013, the trend has been steadily decreasing over the last 40 years. Police work is getting progressively safer compared with historical averages:

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· From 1970 to 1980 police deaths averaged 231 per year.

· 1980 to 1989: police deaths averaged 190.7.

· 1990 to 1999: police deaths averaged 161.5.

· 2000 to 2009: police deaths averaged 165.

· 2013 to 2014: police deaths averaged 113.

That's all fatalities of officers in the course of their duties: homicides, automobile accidents, suicides. All of them.

Felonious homicides only account for about 1/3 of police work-related deaths.

Nope. No war on cops. No matter how you try and split up the data, policing has gotten a lot safer. Fatalities and murders of police have fallen, across the board for decades - per resident, per officer, and in absolute terms.

Further evidence that no such war is taking place comes from looking at assaults and injuries occurring to police from 1992-2013:

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Cops are being attacked and injured less frequently. THERE IS NO WAR ON COPS.

Looking at the Bureau of Labor Statistics for 2015, police officers still don't broach the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America - the ranking remains mostly unchanged from the 2013 data you deride. (Cops aren't even the most likely to be murdered on the job - taxi drivers and chauffeurs face an on-the-job homicide rate twice that of police officers).

The per-capita murder rates for police (5.2 per 100,000) is lower than the per-capita murder rate of the general public (5.4 per 100,000), which means it's safer to be a police officer than it is Joe Citizen on the street. In fact, in 2008, you were 12 times more likely to be killed as a regular person simply living in New Orleans than you were working as a police officer. 9 times more likely to be murdered living in St Louis than being a cop. 7 times more likely simply by living in Baltimore.

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There is, of course, the oft-repeated claim that a police officer is killed every 58 hours.

While it's true a police officer dies while on duty about every 58 hours, that includes accidents and other non-homicide deaths.

The number of police line-of-duty deaths for 2016 is on pace to be 121, the lowest number since 1959,when 115 police officers died in the line of duty. THERE IS NO WAR ON COPS.

I was wrong and a bit drunk when I told you to GTFO in a previous post.
Apology accepted. I could have been more diplomatic myself, and it takes integrity to own up to an error in judgment.

Honestly, I don't really care how you think about it, as when I'm off work as I was (am) when posting here I was posting a a private citizen (as I am now; both drinking and as a private citizen).
Well hell, nevermind. If you're this much of an angry drunk, maybe you should drink a little less - or sober up before engaging in online vituperations.

I don't represent the "rank and file" of LEO's, I only can tell you guys what I see and hear as having worked in this profession and am a minority as to trying to educate Y'all as to Police Procedure and mindset.
I would hope not; your conduct here suggests you aren't a great ambassador for the majority of your profession.

I always thought that the information that I tried to present to Y'all would help you in being firearms enthusiasts and CCW's, that was my goal.
This post helps firearms enthusiasts/concealed carry permit holders? How?

Again, being honest, I and many members in Law Enforcement (many on this very forum) have grown very tired of hearing the same crap about problems in the profession over and over from people that only read headlines from the media and have quit posting here. We know that people screw up, we really do. No one goes to work and says "I want to shoot, hurt, maim, kill someone", it just doesn't happen. In fact as a profession, believe it or not, most of us want to help people and ensure order. We would rather have a calm quiet night (or day) on every shift and have nothing happen.
I have no doubt most of you would rather not deal with the bullshit you deal with day in and day out. I also do not doubt that most LE officers are hardworking, honest and honorable men and women asked to do a shitty job.

But that's still a choice. When given power over your fellow citizen, when that power is abused, on camera, repeatedly, and all efforts by the public at large to hold folks accountable is met with resistance or outright hostility from LE, then you end up with the widening gap in trust and respect we see in these United States. You need to cooperation and trust of the communities you serve in order to catch criminals. When you see and treat everday citizens as the enemy, is it any wonder that public opinion is turning away from seeing you as a friend and ally?

I'm sure the Catholic Church grew very tired of hearing about sexual abuse by priests too. Should they get the benefit of the doubt? After all, it wasn't all priests….just the minority of bad ones.

No hardship of the job should prevent We, the People from being able to discuss openly the nature in which agents of the State, ostensibly public servants do their jobs. Period.

Now more than ever we weed out and prosecute the people that do the wrong thing as LEOs.
Yeah? Would you like a plethora of links that show this is not the case?

By the way, I wonder why you seem to think that you are the only one with a DD214? Many (and I mean MANY) Police are Veterans. I know this because I also have a DD214.
Where did I say I was the only one? You decided I didn't get to speak in "your" post, accused me of never serving "my community." It's you that made unsubstantiated assumptions, not me pal.
 
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The phrase Thin Blue Line is now seen as an (Us vs Them) mentality by a majority of the public, even though the original meaning is order vs chaos. Many within LE even promote it as a don't mess with us type deal.

I just don't get the fascination with slogans or stickers. I'm an avid second amendment supporter, and I'll have my bothers backs but you won't see the Molan Labe stickers, NRA, GOA, or anything that can attract negative attention being advertised by me or on my vehicles. I have strong opinions and views, but for the majority I like blend in and not stand out everyday in public.

I told a friend the other day that in today's climate with police, he should take that thin blue line off the bumper of his wife's car.
 
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I get that cops are a lot "jumpier" than they used to be, and I would be too in this current climate. There's definitely a target painted on LE as a whole, which is fueled by the morons in the press and in the White House.

Its not an excuse for bad behavior by the cops, and I'm sure the good ones hate it when the bad ones make the news also.
 
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Just like in any population you will have the good, and the bad, and the good who are bad, and the bad who think they are good. There are a number of law enforcement officers who do have a "I am the LAW" mentality, who view the "thin blue line" as them alone standing valiantly against the forces of evil and chaos while the innocent huddle in adoration behind them. I have zero problem with the prideful "thin blue line" as I have no problems with anyone being proud of themselves and their co-workers doing a good job. What I, and most, have a problem with are the officers I mentioned above, those who feel themselves above us mere civilians. Who have the "YOU CANT UNDERSTAND AND SHOULD KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!" elitist attitude about their jobs.
 
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Going back and looking at the ops original video it was a tribute, and this went off track. Another thread would have been more appropriate for the discussion that followed.

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