We keep hearing about these raids gone wrong and people are dying now. I hope the widow owns the Town next week. The war on drugs has turned into the war on American citizens sitting in their living rooms.

 

That's pretty F'ed up. For both the widow and the cops. Those guys have to deal with the fact the shot an innocent man for the rest of their life.

 

War on drugs...the only thing less successful than the "war on terror."

 

War on drugs...the only thing less successful than the "war on terror."

They've both been outrageously successful if the measure of success is lining certain pockets. Return on taxpayer dollars has been atrocious.

 

I think this comment says it all.

DesertGater15:43 AM EDT
Oct 11, 2012The chief needs to immediately resign. He has proven he is unfit for duty, as well as the people who prepared the intel for the raid. All should be fired, NOT placed on administrative leave. A life was lost because of their STUPIDITY. It was not a "It’s a very severe mistake, a costly mistake." It was STUPID action on the part of the leaders of this raid. They FAILED to do their job properly and should be held accountable for it. Fired not retained. The informant who gave them the wrong information should be tried for murder, his misinformation got this man killed because he knew he wAs not telling the truth. ABOVE ALL, THE CHIEF, EACH MEMBER OF THE UNIT WHO PREPARED THE INTELLIGENCE REPORT FOR THIS RAID MUST HE FIRED, THEN TRIED FOR THE DEATH OF THIS MAN! It did not matter that he fired first, HE WAS PROTECTING HIS HOME! Had they come busting into my home like that it would not have been a shotgun but a full magazine of armor piercing rounds designed to stop INTRUDERS! This type of action is happening more and more across America because of sloppy police work. All across American hundreds of thousands of men and women put their lives on the line to protect and serve their local neighborhoods. Yet there are those who take short cuts and in doing so it cost innocent people their lives. If the prosecutor fails to call for the Chief of police to resign and the creators of the intel report to be fired then he/she too needs to be replaced.Time to bring this type of police crime to a stop! Gater out...

 

Yup that's what I was thinking also.

I think this comment says it all.

DesertGater15:43 AM EDT
Oct 11, 2012The chief needs to immediately resign. He has proven he is unfit for duty, as well as the people who prepared the intel for the raid. All should be fired, NOT placed on administrative leave. A life was lost because of their STUPIDITY. It was not a "It's a very severe mistake, a costly mistake." It was STUPID action on the part of the leaders of this raid. They FAILED to do their job properly and should be held accountable for it. Fired not retained. The informant who gave them the wrong information should be tried for murder, his misinformation got this man killed because he knew he wAs not telling the truth. ABOVE ALL, THE CHIEF, EACH MEMBER OF THE UNIT WHO PREPARED THE INTELLIGENCE REPORT FOR THIS RAID MUST HE FIRED, THEN TRIED FOR THE DEATH OF THIS MAN! It did not matter that he fired first, HE WAS PROTECTING HIS HOME! Had they come busting into my home like that it would not have been a shotgun but a full magazine of armor piercing rounds designed to stop INTRUDERS! This type of action is happening more and more across America because of sloppy police work. All across American hundreds of thousands of men and women put their lives on the line to protect and serve their local neighborhoods. Yet there are those who take short cuts and in doing so it cost innocent people their lives. If the prosecutor fails to call for the Chief of police to resign and the creators of the intel report to be fired then he/she too needs to be replaced.Time to bring this type of police crime to a stop! Gater out...

 

That's pretty F'ed up. For both the widow and the cops. Those guys have to deal with the fact the shot an innocent man for the rest of their life.

Like they're gonna give a shit crap.

 

Yeah,

The old status of how you get intel is just not working.

All a dealer has to do is hand off is known track phone to a kid and this is what you get.

John

 

As I have said before, until they are held responsible by being tried in a courtroom (criminal AND civil) it won't stop.

 

As I have said before, until they are held responsible by being tried in a courtroom (criminal AND civil) it won't stop.

+1, give it a few days and there will be another incident like this.

One day they might run into the wrong, well equipped house. Then enter the media blaming the "gun owning" house owner.

 

Did anybody notice the comment that dated this incident as having occurred in 2000?

<<ABC News, wake up- the John Adams shooting happened in 2000 - why is it an active link on the news site along with current news? !>>

 

Did anybody notice the comment that dated this incident as having occurred in 2000?

<<ABC News, wake up- the John Adams shooting happened in 2000 - why is it an active link on the news site along with current news? !>>

Doh! Yeah, the news sites will do this once in a while and then the news aggregator sites will pick it up as new news.

Good catch.

 

Really does not matter when it happened--it did happen and a man is dead--gone from his family while the LEOs are on administrative leave and eventually exonerated. Point is, until individuals are tried for their errors w/o us taxpayers picking up the tab the raids will continue. When a few lose their jobs, houses, possessions, and income garnished after getting out of prison facts will be checked much more carefully. AP out of the muzzle of an '06 will effectively stop an armored intruder.

 

The irony is that just about any pizza delivery driver can find the right house...in the dark...in the rain...and before the pizza gets cold. They manage to do this with a run-of-the-mill Garmin, and they can even do it when they're new on the job and unfamiliar with the area.

The police...despite having regular patrols right in the neighborhood and state-of-the-art global positioning systems...hit the wrong house on a too-frequent basis.

Odd, that....methinks.

 

The irony is that just about any pizza delivery driver can find the right house...in the dark...in the rain...and before the pizza gets cold. They manage to do this with a run-of-the-mill Garmin, and they can even do it when they're new on the job and unfamiliar with the area.

The police...despite having regular patrols right in the neighborhood and state-of-the-art global positioning systems...hit the wrong house on a too-frequent basis.

Odd, that....methinks.

Yeah. What's even odder to me is the fact that we keep hearing about all of these wrong house raids and innocent people getting abused, shot, pets killed, etc..... But I have never heard one story about the swat team getting ambushed because they went to the wrong house because of bad intel from an informant. I mean if the informants are doing this purposely, you'd think there would be some cases, especially involving gangs, where they set up an ambush on the LEO's.

What I'm trying to get at is that I think the excuse they're using about the informants purposely giving wrong intel is a bunch bull feathers. Also, and I've said this before, it's going to go bad for law enforcement one of these days in these no knock deals. The law of averages always prevails.

 

The irony is that just about any pizza delivery driver can find the right house...in the dark...in the rain...and before the pizza gets cold. They manage to do this with a run-of-the-mill Garmin, and they can even do it when they're new on the job and unfamiliar with the area.

The police...despite having regular patrols right in the neighborhood and state-of-the-art global positioning systems...hit the wrong house on a too-frequent basis.

Odd, that....methinks.

Damned!!! I didn't think of it THAT way..... So I understand, pizza delivery people are smarter than the cops???? Roger that!!!
I can't recall the last time I had a pizza delivered to my house in error.....Good analagy....

 

That's pretty F'ed up. For both the widow and the cops. Those guys have to deal with the fact the shot an innocent man for the rest of their life.

The key to this statement is "live". I really don't care what they have to "live" with.......they get to live. The same cannot be said for the innocent man they killed.

They should have to face trial and the punishment that follows. Maybe then, other officers will question the unlawful orders given to them instead of spewing the same old Nazi "oops, maya copa, I was just following orders".

 

Damned!!! I didn't think of it THAT way..... So I understand, pizza delivery people are smarter than the cops???? Roger that!!!
I can't recall the last time I had a pizza delivered to my house in error.....Good analagy....

And on the question of "Bad intel from an anonymous informant"...

Are they just taking the word of sumdood on the phone before goin' all rodeo on these suspects?

Has that taken the place of old-fashioned police work?

You know...A stakeout/surveillance operation in order to at least provide a little evidence that...you know... an actual crime is afoot.

If it's the former, I've got a roll of quarters and a whole list of names here...

 

And on the question of "Bad intel from an anonymous informant"...

Are they just taking the word of sumdood on the phone before goin' all rodeo on these suspects?

Has that taken the place of old-fashioned police work?

You know...A stakeout/surveillance operation in order to at least provide a little evidence that...you know... an actual crime is afoot.

If it's the former, I've got a roll of quarters and a whole list of names here...

Thats one of the problems, they will take the word of a junkie as proof but not the word of a regular citizen.

I have a girl that comes in my store and shoplifts. The whole time she is in the store she is on her cell making drug deals talking so loud everyone can hear her. She even offered to hook one of my employees up with some weed once. I got her name,address,phone number and her license number and tried to give it to the police. They wouldn't take it since "there is nothing we can do with this info"

 

Now, now folks.....remember, this is "the price of doing business." The blood of innocents is a small price to pay order and justice. We're not law enforcement, so we just don't know.

Besides.....he probably had a tshirt or ball cap that said POLICE on it.....if that's not damning, I don't know what is!

The fact that this stuff happens....whether in 2000 or 2012, and we as te citizenry not only tolerate it, but minimise it and allow excuses to be sufficient for lives lost would be sad if it wasn't so truly horrifying.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than they who believe they are free.

 

They've both been outrageously successful if the measure of success is lining certain pockets. Return on taxpayer dollars has been atrocious.

I'm sorry the sacrifices of a few men and women of this country are such an inconvenience to you.

 

It doesnt take much to do a proper investigation into the correct addresses. Heck surveil the place and follow the residents for a few days. Its quite simple.

 

It doesnt take much to do a proper investigation into the correct addresses. Heck surveil the place and follow the residents for a few days. Its quite simple.

But then you can't justify the 'special' budget and use all those cool toys!

 

Yeah I mean really. They did it for years back in the day on a fraction of the budget. When I was back home in NY they posted the incomes of the Suffolk County PD and I was stunned at the incomes of a normal beat cop. Maybe thats why it costs so much to live there.

 

Suffolk is usually in the top 5 highest paid in the country. One of the many reasons the cost of living up there is insane.