[J.Boyette]

I think you did the prudent thing. You have to take Mr "Rambo" Boyettes comments like a grain of salt since i'm sure he would have single handedly disarmed all the bozos and trained them in the proper ways in 10 minutes.

Guess what.

As a sitting board member of a known club in NC and as a known instructor I have no way to let things just roll unlike 99.9% of the people in this topic.

Bring a knuckle head when talking to people is not always the correct option. Nor is acting like Rambo. But talking and performing gun / range safety is a responsibility and duty of every gun owner. Please do not shrug it off like you have typed in this topic.

Make all the stupid Rambo comments you want. You think you know who I am and what I do but you have no clue. You are right in about 10 min's I can tell them about proper range use and hot / cold procedures.

As to a group of 5 armed people and correcting them. I would approach them like any other group of people I have ever talked too. Guns do not change the situation.

Being polite and firm is adult work I guess.

 

[Daisy Duster]

No range officer means they get none of my money. Rules are only as good as the enforcement so guess where the Huggers go to shoot.

 

[Silver_Bullet]

I've met a lot of aholes that only shoot double barrel shotguns and bolt action rifles. Just saying.

I think individual personality has more to do with it, than a choice of firearm. Firearms don't control the mind. Typical liberal fudd nonsense from @Daisy Duster just trolling a thread for responses.

 

[wsfiredude]

No range officer means they get none of my money. Rules are only as good as the enforcement so guess where the Huggers go to shoot.

Ohio?

Or perhaps you meant somewhere closer, like this place just outside of Roguemont...

 

[B00GER]

Guess what.

As a sitting board member of a known club in NC and as a known instructor I have no way to let things just roll unlike 99.9% of the people in this topic.

Bring a knuckle head when talking to people is not always the correct option. Nor is acting like Rambo. But talking and performing gun / range safety is a responsibility and duty of every gun owner. Please do not shrug it off like you have typed in this topic.

Make all the stupid Rambo comments you want. You think you know who I am and what I do but you have no clue. You are right in about 10 min's I can tell them about proper range use and hot / cold procedures.

As to a group of 5 armed people and correcting them. I would approach them like any other group of people I have ever talked too. Guns do not change the situation.

Being polite and firm is adult work I guess.

Guns absolutely do change the situation. In fact, guns "changing situations" is exactly why I carry a gun.

You are a professional. You do this stuff for a living. The rest of us don't. So while you are comfortable approaching 5 armed men and reading them the riot act on proper behavior, the rest of us are not, and that's ok.

 

[B00GER]

No range officer means they get none of my money. Rules are only as good as the enforcement so guess where the Huggers go to shoot.

I am quite certain that there are very few ranges missing out on your company and business.

 

[Wahoo95]

Guns absolutely do change the situation. In fact, guns "changing situations" is exactly why I carry a gun.

You are a professional. You do this stuff for a living. The rest of us don't. So while you are comfortable approaching 5 armed men and reading them the riot act on proper behavior, the rest of us are not, and that's ok.

Nobody said it had to be a confrontation. We're talking about a group of paying members and a simple discussion over safety at the range. The fact that they're armed should make no difference. Briefing them on the safety aspects of the range doesn't require any attitude nor discussion at a level that things become volatile. I've done it many times at my club and its never been an issue. No way I'd simply leave and ruin my day when he could have simply gone over and made sure they were aware of the rules and why they were important.

 

[Krabba]

Every situation is unique. Not being there, we don't know the general "feel" of the group... and we are talking about a group, not a single shooter and I'd bet only one or two were actual members. I'm not going to question an individuals manhood for attempting to avoid what could have become a confrontational situation with a group of guys. Just because you don't approach them in a confrontational way doesn't mean they will reciprocate. We all know group dynamics change things.

 

[B00GER]

Nobody said it had to be a confrontation. We're talking about a group of paying members and a simple discussion over safety at the range. The fact that they're armed should make no difference. Briefing them on the safety aspects of the range doesn't require any attitude nor discussion at a level that things become volatile. I've done it many times at my club and its never been an issue. No way I'd simply leave and ruin my day when he could have simply gone over and made sure they were aware of the rules and why they were important.

That's what you would have done, and that's fine. But it doesn't make what the Op did less fine either.

 

[tanstaafl72555]

INTERNET: (def) A place where people who are socially challenged can meet with normal folks to discuss any topic at all and magically turn it into a venue about their own egos.

 

[flightorfight]

Guess what.

As a sitting board member of a known club in NC and as a known instructor I have no way to let things just roll unlike 99.9% of the people in this topic.

Bring a knuckle head when talking to people is not always the correct option. Nor is acting like Rambo. But talking and performing gun / range safety is a responsibility and duty of every gun owner. Please do not shrug it off like you have typed in this topic.

Make all the stupid Rambo comments you want. You think you know who I am and what I do but you have no clue. You are right in about 10 min's I can tell them about proper range use and hot / cold procedures.

As to a group of 5 armed people and correcting them. I would approach them like any other group of people I have ever talked too. Guns do not change the situation.

Being polite and firm is adult work I guess.

Yes EVERYONE on this forum knows you are an instructor. You are constantly reminding all of us non professionals of that fact.

Tell me something, do you talk to your trainees like you did the OP in your first post? I'll bet not or you would be out of business really quick or in the hospital when some hothead shot you.

 

[wsfiredude]

INTERNET: (def) A place where people who are socially challenged can meet with normal folks to discuss any topic at all and magically turn it into a venue about their own egos.

I assure you my comments directed towards Mr. Duster were not about ego. I was simply offering my assistance to him in his quest to appear an idiot...

It seems, though, he is doing such a magnificent job of it on his own, that he is in no need of my help.

 

[J.Boyette]

Yes EVERYONE on this forum knows you are an instructor. You are constantly reminding all of us non professionals of that fact.

Tell me something, do you talk to your trainees like you did the OP in your first post? I'll bet not or you would be out of business really quick or in the hospital when some hothead shot you.

Sir,

What ever your issue with me is just PM me. We (might) be able to work it out.

Second, I talk to my students as needed, mostly as adults. Just because I am disappointed in the OP's actions and posted as such.

You guys keep doing as you wish.

But to allow a unsafe event to happen is not something I support.

 

[B00GER]

Sir,

What ever your issue with me is just PM me. We (might) be able to work it out.

Second, I talk to my students as needed, mostly as adults. Just because I am disappointed in the OP's actions and posted as such.

You guys keep doing as you wish.

But to allow a unsafe event to happen is not something I support.

Thank you for your input John, and I will continue to do as I wish. Part of that will be trusting that if a forum member decides a situation is too uncomfortable to intervene and decides to unass the area that he did the right thing as opposed to assuming that he was cowardly and tucked tail.

Some people can be approached and a gentlemanly discussion can take place. On the other hand, some people behave with such Reckless abandon that prudence is warranted.

If anything, this situation shows a need for this range to enhance either its vetting process for members or its requirement to have staff on hand.

 

[shrek]

It always amazes me how type A personalities always seem to have trouble understanding and relating to type B personalities.

 

[Not A Robot v1.4]

You have to say something to the offending individuals. If you don't who will. It's the inherent responsibility of a gun owner to protect him self and others from there own ignorance. We get a lot of new faces at the range, I am thankful for it. If you see a person conducting themself in a dangerous manner that clearly violates there safety or yours speak up. Last thing anyone wants is a FFA at your range making the news. Just my 2cents.

 

[9outof10mms]

Has it been said what range this was? I don't see the value in hiding that fact, especially if other users here may be members.

And I think you all are getting lost in Internet translation over John's comments. All you regulars should know that he's not one to stir the pot nor does he walk around unzipped, ready for a D measuring contest at the drop of a hat. If your pot was stirred by his comments, perhaps that old saying "a kicked dog will yelp" applies.

 

[flightorfight]

Has it been said what range this was? I don't see the value in hiding that fact, especially if other users here may be members.

And I think you all are getting lost in Internet translation over John's comments. All you regulars should know that he's not one to stir the pot nor does he walk around unzipped, ready for a D measuring contest at the drop of a hat. If your pot was stirred by his comments, perhaps that old saying "a kicked dog will yelp" applies.

So it is ok with you when he all but calls another member a coward ? Sorry but I try to stand up for other members when I see something like that posted. I was never one to let a bully run roughshod over someone.

 

[9outof10mms]

He's just blunt. It was indeed a low level gripe-back from him (John), and it's fine if people take exception to it. But some folks are digging deeper than just this thread, trying to imply that he struts like the baddest turkey on the forum. I don't know that to be true about John. And before someone throws me into the "he's a former student" bandwagon, it should be noted that I've never been to one of his classes. I'm just an observer.

For the record, I think the OP should have said something. He didn't have the fly off the hook or play Rambo to the mall ninjas. But a simple reminder (presumably one of the idiots was a member and was once exposed to the range rules, so it should have been a reminder) about hot/cold status in a neighborly tone would have been the prudent thing to do, in my opinion. I believe that was the essence of what John was conveying.

 

[Behindyou]

As the OP, it amazes me how a simple rant can go down so many roads. Dick-measuring contests, manhood questioning, act as an adult statement... when in reality none of you were there to witness the event - but I guess it's easier to formulate an opinion and shoot off your mouth (anonomously) when you are not there to actually see what occurred. IMHO, people who draw conclusions without all the facts are really nothing more than empty trash cans, you all know them, the ones that make the most noise.

To those who said "you should have said something,....." I did, I reinforced the hot/cold rule which they followed. It was the constant idiot actions and jabbering that drove us away.