Waiting to see if Kimber will cave or move.

 

Waiting to see if Kimber will cave or move.

Id be willing to bet they were part of the 7rd decision

 

A standard 1911 holds 7 right? Kimber being in on it seems plausible.

 

I cannot fathom, and pretty much don't want to hear, ANY reason for a gun manufacturer to be based in an anti state. There are plenty of other states that are not just "pro" but overwhelmingly "pro." I know it costs money to break down the tents and move even 5 miles, but dang it people...principle is principle. And then to see them at SHOT show or any other gun convention touting how American they are or how they stand up for your rights. I look for the asterisk that says "but we're just fine living, working, and doing business in a hive of anti wretchery."

I digress...

 

Never heard, is it 7+1?

 

You can get 7rd ers for standard 1911... just depends...

 

Yeah great gun manufactures move from my cause you don't like the state?
What about the workers, leave them screwed and without a job just cause you don't like where live?
Gimme a break all some of you do is think about yourself.

 

Yeah great gun manufactures move from my cause you don't like the state?
What about the workers, leave them screwed and without a job just cause you don't like where live?
Gimme a break all some of you do is think about yourself.

In short, the answer is yes. Offer incentives to help move folks. I'm more than certain that nearly all firearms manufacturers are doing fairly well for the past decade...they can extend a hand to help those who want it. If not, so be it.

I'm not saying high tail it just because you don't like some little thing...the CEO got a speeding ticket on the way into work, that's not a reason. But a state mocking the the foundation of your very existence? That is time for action.

And you can stick the "thinking about myself" speak in your ear. There comes a time when principle trumps economics. If it never has the chance, then you're just a sheep.

 

I agree that they should move and refuse to do business in the 'anti' states. Principles matter.

 

The new face of evil high capacity magazines

Scary looking, aren't they? Sorry if I made anyone wet themselves.

In other news, New York needs a political reboot.

 

In short, the answer is yes. Offer incentives to help move folks. I'm more than certain that nearly all firearms manufacturers are doing fairly well for the past decade...they can extend a hand to help those who want it. If not, so be it.

I'm not saying high tail it just because you don't like some little thing...the CEO got a speeding ticket on the way into work, that's not a reason. But a state mocking the the foundation of your very existence? That is time for action.

And you can stick the "thinking about myself" speak in your ear. There comes a time when principle trumps economics. If it never has the chance, then you're just a sheep.

This would get pretty damned expensive if the state they moved to did the same...

Kinda childish expecting something like that. I'm sure every player in the business is working on a game plan to figure out what the heck they are going to do next. How this has affected them and how it will affect them in the future. Uprooting an entire business when you don't know what exactly you will be able to produce just doesn't make any business sense...so, yea, stop thinking about yourself and hope the industry figures out how to survive with any and all of the possible changes.

 

The employees should be given the opportunity to move with the company. With assistance. I think maybe gun mfgs have made a dollar or two lately. A move is never an easy thing. Ownership/management has to weigh a lot of factors. Cost of the move, skilled employees lost, uncertainty/unknowns of a new environment, etc. And most of them were probably born and raised in the area. It would be like leaving home for many of them. It would be a huge big deal for them, as well as all the employees, to make a move. That does not change the fact that it makes little sense in principle for a gun mfg. to be located in such gun-hostile states as many of them are.

The only thing as gun buyers that we can do is to buy brands that are mfg in states that support our rights. We SHOULD do this. Hitting them in their pocketbook is the biggest thing that would encourage them to consider a move. Without that, it ain't gonna happen. Oh, you may get one company that may move. But that would be about it. Problem with this idea is 1. How many gun buyers will bother to pay any attention to where it's made (if I want a S&W M&P, dang it, that's what I want) and 2. there are so many mfgs. located in anti-gun states that we would have very few choices left. It's really surprising how many mfgs are located in the NE states. If you take a look at your "Buy' list of guns, chances are good that 90% of the mfgs. are going to be headquartered in the NE. If i can find the post I made a few weeks back of some of the mfgs and their locations, I'll repost it here.

 

I believe Remington is headquartered in Madison, NC isn't it? Would really be great if they could move some of their mfg. to NC.

Alexander Arms Virginia
Armalite Ill.
Arsenal NV
Barrett TN
Bushmaster NC
Charles Daly Penn.
Detonics Ill.
Hi Point OH
Kahr NY
KelTec FL
Kimber NY
Les Baer Iowa
Magnum Research Minn.
Mossberg CT
Olympic WA
Rock River Ill
Sharps CT
STI TX
Thompson Center N. Hampshire

 

Ruger: Connecticut!
Remington: largest plant is in New York!
Smith & Wesson: Massachusetts!
Colt: Connecticut!
Marlin: moved manufacturing from CT to.... NY?!
Savage Arms: MA
Springfield Armory: Illinois.
Henry: NJ!

Credit to FNG... this was his post.

 

Beretta in Maryland.

Per ArbowAxle's post.

 

marlin was moved (from CT. to NY.)because remington bought them out. and remington just voted in a new contract, part of that was the removal of the "must make x model here" clause. word i'm hearing is that they want to build a new plant, now whether that is in ny or somewhere else remains to be seen. i think they would be foolish to sink that kind of money into a state that is hostile to their business.

Per diablos30's post.

 

No corp HQ but FNH is in SC.

Per Goodwitwood's post.

 

The others people that no one is talking about is the gun shop owner in NY. I have a brother-in-law that works in the largest gun shop in the state. The amount of inventory they have that is now illegal for them to sell is staggering. There is millions of dollars that have been spent on inventory that now these gun shop owners have to find something to do with.
Add into that the need to increase inventory of items they can now legally sell and these poor guys have huge investments ahead of them just to stay in business.

 

This would get pretty damned expensive if the state they moved to did the same...

Kinda childish expecting something like that. I'm sure every player in the business is working on a game plan to figure out what the heck they are going to do next. How this has affected them and how it will affect them in the future. Uprooting an entire business when you don't know what exactly you will be able to produce just doesn't make any business sense...so, yea, stop thinking about yourself and hope the industry figures out how to survive with any and all of the possible changes.

Whatever. You guys run your hypothetical businesses your way, and I'll do the same for mine. At the end of the day, you can count your dollars you made and saved, and I'll count my principles I stood on. My experience has shown that I'll be happier.

 

Whatever. You guys run your hypothetical businesses your way, and I'll do the same for mine. At the end of the day, you can count your dollars you made and saved, and I'll count my principles I stood on. My experience has shown that I'll be happier.

Not too concerned about your happiness...lol. Just that the industry survives and flourishes so that it can keep making all of these shiny new toys.

 

It doesnt really matter what they do because most likely workers will be laid off anyways due to less business coming from a state like NY (maybe not now due to current demand).
NY gun shops will probably close because when you lose the selling of firearms like Glocks, SA XD's, S&W MP's, AR's and so on and so forth with any firearm that can hold more than seven rounds and most likely will not ever have a 7rd mag made for them. Even if you got companies to make 7 round magazines for all these, is it worth their while right now to retool when the market for 10-30 rd mags is so hot right now every where else it is legal to own them?
Also, look at the economic impact that a ban on the manufacture of "EBR's" and "assault weapons," will do to the economy as a whole.
There is atleast 100+ makers of firearms with these scary features. What would be the incentive for them to stay open if they are no longer able to manufacture a complete firearm or lower receivers that are no longer to be made? Companies that manufacture and sell accessories for them would be going out of business, gun shops would close because their hottest sellers are no longer able to be sold. The loss in tax revenue to the .gov would be a drop in the bucket but as taxes go and in the real world is a lot of coin.
No 10-11% tax on those complete firearms now not being made, the local sales tax not being paid to the .gov (most places), payroll taxes not paid, corporate taxes not paid, property taxes not being paid, employees on unemployment putting a strain on an already OVERLY STRAINED system.
There are probably a lot more taxes Im missing in this whole rant about it but, someone some where in the .gov has to bring this up before any vote can be taken. Yes the could have done it in NY and said all these things but it was a closed door meeting with only certain people in the room, probably bullied into casting a vote right then and there for no other reason than an agenda to disarm people slowly.
Everything the .gov does leads in one way or another to some kind of economic hardship on someones part and it aint the .gov.

 

Has anyone read the law ad it applies to how a magazine is made a 7rd magazine? Must it be permanent or is an internal blocker okay? I know someone use to make a piece that went inside the spring and made standard capacity magazines into 10rds.

I still feel this law will be overturned by the courts. I am surprised the NRA has not already filed for an injunction.

 

Yeah great gun manufactures move from my cause you don't like the state?
What about the workers, leave them screwed and without a job just cause you don't like where live?
Gimme a break all some of you do is think about yourself.

Seriously?

You think this is some subjective issue of "not liking the state"?

Ny has just passed the most draconian, anti-gun, anti2a, anti-liberty laws in the country. I think it's disingenuous for those companies to ignore that and continue on supporting that state govt.

Case in point, what if all 50 states adopted identical laws? Many of those companies would be howling.... And in trouble.

Btw, they could also view it as a pre-emotive move to protect their business. With that kind of anti-gun govt, who knows if they decide to target manufacturers next....

 

I don't expect them to just pick up and move. But I do think they should think long and hard about the support they have from their politicians and the general public there. I wouldn't want to own a company in a place that I was not wanted. At the least, their long range plans should include some modeling and cost analysis. If they need a new plant, they should be looking at some place that supports their industry, has the infrastructure they need, and costs them less. Other than the principles involved, their biggest motivation would be the lower cost of labor and COL here vs there.

 

Has anyone read the law ad it applies to how a magazine is made a 7rd magazine? Must it be permanent or is an internal blocker okay? I know someone use to make a piece that went inside the spring and made standard capacity magazines into 10rds.

I still feel this law will be overturned by the courts. I am surprised the NRA has not already filed for an injunction.

I do too but I also think all those companies should still move.