[wsfiredude]

How many 2nd Amendment groups have leadership drawing 6 figure incomes?
If the war is won, how many will be out of a job?
So the question becomes, How hard are they trying to win the war?

Easy there....

Wayne is sluggin it out in the trenches. He's 'riding through the night' and 'sounding the alarm', just like Revere. He's confronting those who want to strip us of our RTKBA and going toe-to-toe with them just like the brave patriots at Lexington and Concord (so says most correspondence I get from them). Of course, it's always accompanied by, "please send your most generous contribution so we can continue the fight."

Reckon horse feed and musket balls are expensive.

Quite frankly, I find those comparisons nauseating...

Wayne is about Wayne.

There are some good folks in the NRA...folks who believe Amedment II as it is written. NRA 'leadership'? Not so much.

If, God forbid, it ever boiled down to an actual physical conflict to preserve our rights, IMO, I do not think you'd find Wayne or spokesmodel Chris Cox within 1000 miles of it.

 

[mekender]

How many 2nd Amendment groups have leadership drawing 6 figure incomes?
If the war is won, how many will be out of a job?
So the question becomes, How hard are they trying to win the war?

There are perhaps 2 dozen or so people that fit that bill... Maybe 3 dozen.

Any of them could probably draw the same or more by working for any gun company or defense contractor.

I know several of them personally and have met several more. I seriously doubt that their primary reason for doing their job is to keep the income coming, especially considering that they have plenty of other ways to make money.

But besides that, all of the ones that I have met and talked with at length about this know flat out that the process, the "war", is going to be going for at least the next couple of decades... Here is the response I gave to a lefty last night who said "you seriously think those lawsuits are going to result in unlimited ability to open and concealed carry of any weapon without restriction? seems... unlikely."

No, not unlimited... That ship has sailed. However, with well more than 3/4ths of the states embracing carry rights, there is enough there for Amendment 28 if the rest of the states head the other way even though I suspect that is unlikely.

But I expect that the courts will eventually settle on a framework where every state and jurisdiction must issue a permit to carry to anyone that is not prohibited from possession. And that carry will be permitted in most non-secured areas (meaning gated or guarded) that are public. And that the multiple laws on the books across the nation that have their origins in Jim Crow laws will disappear. And that in regard to carry, some form of carry must be permitted, but the manner of carry can be dictated, i.e. open or concealed... And the permits will be required to be recognized in every jurisdiction, not just the 50 states but also the outlying territories.

Smart gun mandates are almost certain to be overturned once they go into effect... "safe" gun rosters like in CA will probably fall too... As will so called "junk" gun laws...

Magazine limits may stay, but that is even questionable considering that many of them ban the standard issue magazines that came with models of guns owned by many, many millions of people... Same goes for state assault weapons laws, especially the newest ones that are really restrictive... Once the dust clears from the recent laws in CT and NY and the one that is about to pass in NJ, I suspect that such laws will be dead for good in any other states.

I also expect to see a shall issue NFA process where the Chief Law Enforcement Officer must sign off on the paperwork so long as there is nothing legally prohibiting the person from owning the item, unlike now where in many counties and cities they just flat out will not sign the paperwork because it is their policy not to do so. I expect that short barrel rifles will be removed from the NFA because a short barrel rifle is simply a pistol. I expect that suppressors will also be removed from the NFA and they will be viewed as hearing protection devices like they are in some places in Europe now. I expect that AOW's ( any other weapons) will be removed from the NFA as well, mainly because the category is so ambiguous but general idiocy (edited for language) by the ATF may also do it in.

Short barrel shotguns, destructive devices and full autos will probably remain on the NFA. But even the SBS's may fall off due to the number of shotgun pistols that have been made.

NFA challenges are probably many years if not decades away though...

On the flip side of the coin, about the only kind of law(s) I can see growing in the number of states/jurisdictions that have them in effect are the private sale bans... But even those face pretty sizable challenges when the courts look at them. Especially the one that was proposed federally which would have given Congress the power to regulate ANY commerce that was discussed in any way on the internet.

Then again, I could be completely wrong... But since the stuff above is a summary of the multiple discussions I have had in person with the people that argue such matters in court, including ones that have won gun rights cases in the Supreme Court, the 9th Circuit and other places, I suspect that I am not wrong.

 

[Silver_Bullet]

Most "Professional" political analyst have Tillis as the strongest one against Hagan. NRA is going to go with the most likely winner for the GOP. I am voting for anyone who is running against Hagan. People need to realize, the GOP needs to take the Senate to stop Obama and get all of Congress to stop his violations of the US Constitution. Hagan is going to be Obama's female dog as long as she is in office. I do hope a candidate will get 40% to avoid a run-off. I will admit that has tipped who I will vote for Tuesday. All I hope is whoever wins, we all BACK the GOP candidate to oust Hagan in November and not stay home!

I agree!!! If we could get another Bush in office we won't have all these violations of our rights!

LMAO, I bet that went over some establishment non thinking heads, that have selective memory.

 

[ForumSurfer]

I agree!!! If we could get another Bush in office we won't have all these violations of our rights!

I'm glad you're still posting here and not some ID gun owner forum. That was priceless.

 

[SPM]

3. The way to approach this isn't to discontinue membership in the NRA. Look guys, we have a huge opportunity here to be players rather than spectators. Look at what AR15.com does to use their membership. They have some of their own members and the membership gets behind those guys when they run for NRA Board positions. Maybe they don't always win, but they have a better chance because they are part of the forum. Looking at this forum, if we have 16,000 posters here, why can't we put one of our guys in a place of power within the NRA? Rather than ditching our memberships, why can't we act as a group to change the NRA? You know, there's really not that many guys that run the NRA at the state level. You get an internet forum like this behind making a change, and pick some people that are truly faithful to defending the 2nd Amendment and aren't just about picking likely winners, we might just have something.

Look at what those guys did in Colorado. Those were people who were ordinary guys that just got fed up. But when they decided to make a change, they succeeded. There's no reason we can't achieve the things we set out to do either.

This, I think, is the best solution here. Before we decide to split with the NRA, we should try and get involved at the State level with our own candidates for the NRA Board. I doubt 16,000 Carolinians, of the North and South varieties combined, even vote in the Board elections. Now, I don't think we'd get 16,000 people here to vote. But 8-10,000, in my mind, is a powerful enough block to get our guy or gal in there. The only catch in all this is they'd have to be willing to buck the national NRA when the just and moral action requires it. They'd need to be able to do respectable PR type work as well, know how to work a news interview and the camera if it was on TV (or be able to learn how). I think they need to break the stereotype of "typical gun owner." Most of all, however, I think they'd need to speak to the erosion of ALL the Rights and Liberties of We, the People to some extent. Concentrate on the 2nd, but also come out swinging on violations of the First, Fourth, etc.

The NRA stopped calling me for money after I told the Rep I wouldn't pay more than my membership dues until the NRA went ".......shall not be infringed." in a no-compromise sort of way. But they are still big and influential....and before we present a divided front or make a secret enemy politically, I think trying to change how the beast operates first might be the best course of action.

 

[John Connor]

I'm glad you're still posting here and not some ID gun owner forum. That was priceless.

I will never turn my back on my favorite group of guys and gals

 

[YeeHaa]

LMAO, I bet that went over some establishment non thinking heads, that have selective memory.

+1​

 

[mj1angier]

I think we need to send 3 guys to the NRA Board:

Drypowder- Because here is a guy that did not grow up in a "gun culture", but once he moved to a "free" state has gotten serious wood for any thing that goes "pew,pew!"

Tanstaafl- Because after one debate with Eddie, they will stick there heads up their own arse and infrack themselves.

Chdamn- Because when passion and reason won't work, Chloroform and duct tape will.

 

[ForumSurfer]

Chdamn- Because when passion and reason won't work, Chloroform and duct tape will.

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