And people wonder why the Chinese are kicking our ass left, right and center.....

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Football-coach-arrested-after-fight-at-school-128471778.html

I do have to shake my head over the phrase "79 live rounds of ammunition".......Pulitzer Prize material for sure.

Oh no, the ammo is alive. Don't let the zombies get a hold of it, we'll be screwed for sure!

 

Because one coach is a douche, that means all coaches and teachers are douches right?

 

Because one coach is a douche, that means all coaches and teachers are douches right?

I used to be a teacher and it's strange how certain occupations attract more than their share of bullies and thugs who are too often held up to be role models.

 

I used to be a teacher and it's strange how certain occupations attract more than their share of bullies and thugs who are too often held up to be role models.

I am a teacher, and while I can agree with your feelings, I think we are just taking a beating nowadays...........

The public wants to paint us all with the same brush; perverts, child-abusers, slackers, etc.

 

And people wonder why the Chinese are kicking our ass left, right and center.....

Lemme get this straight.... "The state of education in the US" is determined by the actions of an assistant coach, at practice, after school?
'cause when I think of higher education standards, I jump straight to assistant football coaches.

Tell me, what school did you attend to allow you to make this quantum leap of judgment? Perhaps the "Chinese are kicking our ass left, right and center" because of a lack of reasoning skills and critical thinking allowing for conclusions like this one.

 

Lemme get this straight.... "The state of education in the US" is determined by the actions of an assistant coach, at practice, after school? Tell me, what school did you attend to allow you to make this quantum leap of judgment? Perhaps the "Chinese are kicking our ass left, right and center" because of a lack of reasoning skills and critical thinking allowing for conclusions like this one.

Or maybe it's because I've taught in both American and Chinese schools? Maybe I actually have children who have gone thru both systems?

Have you?

Tell me, what school did you attend...

University of South Carolina, University of Arizona, National Taiwan University (Taipei), Jiaotong University (Shanghai) and Beijing Foreign Languages Institute.

 

You cant compare American schools with countries who have little to no diversity, its apples and oranges.

Does China have large diverse minority populations living on handouts? Do countries in Scandinavia have them?

We deal with so many more inherent problems that have nothing to do with per pupil spending or the quality of the teachers............

 

Jared actually worked part time with me for a little while. I always thought he was a weird apple. I know Doug pretty well too. He's a good guy and pretty tough so it wouldn't surprise me to see something show up on Jared's tox screen. I coached at South Rowan for about 5 years and played there as well. Most of the people at the schools in the area are great people. But it only takes one.

 

Or maybe it's because I've taught in both American and Chinese schools? Maybe I actually have children who have gone thru both systems?

Have you?

University of South Carolina, University of Arizona, National Taiwan University (Taipei), Jiaotong University (Shanghai) and Beijing Foreign Languages Institute.

I don't need to have done either to know this is a ludicrous comparison. Furthermore, if you truly have done that which you claim, you should know that American public schools are required to accept not only the best students, but the lowest of the low, the illegal immigrants that don't even speak English, and those kids from families who provide no support nor motivation for their kids. Can you say this is so for the Chinese?

And before you ask, Duke University and Mercer University.

 

China is kickin our ass cause their lives depend on their success as students. You dont do well you and your fam may get shipped to outer mongolia to work in the salt mines or some such stuff.

It's the old adage about the fox chasing the hare...one is running for dinner and one is running for its life.

 

So, what do you think about the state of religion in the US. I could cite numerous instances where a priest or preacher has sexually assaullted young children. Does that make all of them bad?

 

I am pretty sure the sentence structure, capitalization, spelling and grammar we see on the Internet says more about the state of education in the US than the actions of one assistant coach. :wink:

 

I am pretty sure the sentence structure, capitalization, spelling and grammar we see on the Internet says more about the state of education in the US than the actions of one assistant coach. :wink:

Good point! Larry

 

I am pretty sure the sentence structure, capitalization, spelling and grammar we see on the Internet says more about the state of education in the US than the actions of one assistant coach. :wink:

Thas man spakes the truthe.

 

So what was the po-po doing in his car? If he wasn't arrested out of it they shouldn't have anything to do with it unless it was in a public street and a traffic hazard.

 

Teacher here. This issue is serious, but it is an isolated incident. More importantly, it would not make my top 5 or even top 10 list of things that need to be fixed with public education in North Carolina.

And since you asked....

1. Uninvolved parents.
2. Lack of discipline and respect from students, and the inability of teachers to do anything about it except send them to the office ("woohoo I get out of class!")
3. It's pretty hard to attract the best and brightest minds to be teachers when you pay them as much as an assistant manager at a gas station, and give them no financial merit to work harder (this is a basic free market idea).
4. Irrelevance and being completely unaware of the rapidly changing real world. I think our current curriculum prepares students for the technology and job market of maybe 1978.
5. Uninvolved parents. It needs to be said twice.

The welfare thing is an issue too, yes, but it wouldn't make my top 5. It is hard to motivate a kid who knows at age 14 that he is just going to get on welfare or sell pot. I work in a Title I school in the hood so I really see this every day. Of course, with all the manufacturing jobs shipped overseas now, it's hard to argue with them.

I teach music / band and I absolutely love what I do. I can't do anything else. But I would never teach any other subject. I would need to get paid a lot more to get treated that badly.

/end sermon.

 

1st: Id like to hear his side of the story.... I've seen some 12-yr old punks that could use a good choking from time to time...

2nd: Of all the examples of the "state of education" - an asst middle school coach? LOL. the guy is probably a phys-ed teacher.... hardly even qualifies as an educator....

 

I am pretty sure the sentence structure, capitalization, spelling and grammar we see on the Internet says more about the state of education in the US than the actions of one assistant coach. :wink:

one really big +1

 

So what was the po-po doing in his car? If he wasn't arrested out of it they shouldn't have anything to do with it unless it was in a public street and a traffic hazard.

I'm not positive but I believe that New Jersey V. TLO established that law enforcement officers only need reasonable suspicision on school grounds. The guy actually seems fairly normal when I worked with him. I rarely saw him because he closed. He wasn't an actual teacher. He was the ISS assistant. I do know that he recently went through a pretty bad divorce. No kids and no family around. He may have just snapped. I still can't believe that Doug Pruitt didn't lay him down. Pruitt is a pretty large guy and can handle his own. A friend of mine and myself were discussing this tonight. They actually made such a huge deal about the firearm on school grounds which I understand to an extent. But seriously.... a kid was choked out. If that was my son.... bless the guy's heart. It's really strange because I have never seen him act violent in any way.

 

The coach got what he deserved accept, I wished schools weren’t gun free zones. I feel bad for the kids that had to experience the situation.

We spend quadruple the amount of money on education compared to any other nation in the world and we produce the dumbest students on average. Sometimes I wonder if the government is intentionally “dumbing down” our kids for easier control in the future?

We need to return to neighborhood school systems, which would help to identify and concentrate on actual problems per school as well as lower taxpayer’s fuel bill. Mixing all the bad with what little good is left just makes for mostly bad results. General government school policies and Bush’s no child left behind law sounds great on paper, but in reality it’s a joke and most of our kids are going to pay for it dearly.

 

Teacher here. This issue is serious, but it is an isolated incident. More importantly, it would not make my top 5 or even top 10 list of things that need to be fixed with public education in North Carolina.

And since you asked....

1. Uninvolved parents.
2. Lack of discipline and respect from students, and the inability of teachers to do anything about it except send them to the office ("woohoo I get out of class!")
3. It's pretty hard to attract the best and brightest minds to be teachers when you pay them as much as an assistant manager at a gas station, and give them no financial merit to work harder (this is a basic free market idea).
4. Irrelevance and being completely unaware of the rapidly changing real world. I think our current curriculum prepares students for the technology and job market of maybe 1978.
5. Uninvolved parents. It needs to be said twice.

/end sermon.

1 and 5 are absolutely huge problems.
2 I'm glad someone else gets it. Nothing like giving the kid a vacation to teach him not to fight in school. Wait, huh? And the first half is directly related to 1 and 5 anyway.

I counseled at risk boys in a Wilderness Program for 6 years. I got the kids ya'll kicked out. If those 2 would get fixed, there would be little reason for the type of camp I worked for.

 

Teacher here. This issue is serious, but it is an isolated incident. More importantly, it would not make my top 5 or even top 10 list of things that need to be fixed with public education in North Carolina.

And since you asked....

1. Uninvolved parents.
2. Lack of discipline and respect from students, and the inability of teachers to do anything about it except send them to the office ("woohoo I get out of class!")
3. It's pretty hard to attract the best and brightest minds to be teachers when you pay them as much as an assistant manager at a gas station, and give them no financial merit to work harder (this is a basic free market idea).
4. Irrelevance and being completely unaware of the rapidly changing real world. I think our current curriculum prepares students for the technology and job market of maybe 1978.
5. Uninvolved parents. It needs to be said twice.

The welfare thing is an issue too, yes, but it wouldn't make my top 5. It is hard to motivate a kid who knows at age 14 that he is just going to get on welfare or sell pot. I work in a Title I school in the hood so I really see this every day. Of course, with all the manufacturing jobs shipped overseas now, it's hard to argue with them.

I teach music / band and I absolutely love what I do. I can't do anything else. But I would never teach any other subject. I would need to get paid a lot more to get treated that badly.

/end sermon.

I teach 7th grade math and science in a school with near 60% free/reduced lunch pop'n. I feel for you teaching in CMS, there you really have to fight a monster of a district where one hand has no idea what the other is doing.

 

That bad coaches actions are not the reason we are loosing the education race. The Chinese do what we once did and that is provide their students with capability to excel an opportunity. They do not place them in a classroom where undisciplined children are allowed to mock the teacher and thus destroy not only their ability to learn but the whole classroom. The "rights" of idiots has made us the same through the years of attrition and appeasement, no court today will defend the ability of our gifted children to make the most of their abilities without first condeming them for abusing the idiot.

 

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We spend quadruple the amount of money on education compared to any other nation in the world...

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We do?

Well if it makes you feel any better, our current state congress in NC is doing everything they can to cut school funding, teacher salaries, etc.

 

JADickson hit the nail on the head. Our schools are in big trouble, no discipline, students with no respect for anyone or anything, a LOT of parents only care about Friday night football games, etc. One of my responsibilities before I retired was recruiting high school kids into apprentice programs sponsored by local industries. Ninety five percent of those kids had absolutely no interest in their own futures, just sat in their desks with their heads down, asleep, or playing video games. The ones that were interested tested extremely low in mechanical reasoning skills. Our country has changed in the last twenty five years. Children now get home from school to an empty house, because both parents (if they have two parents) are at work. They watch tv, get on the internet, or play video games till bedtime. They have little interaction with others, except for tweeting. Industries are leaving this country because it is very hard for them to find skilled, willing workers. Workers in other countries are eager to work, and for less money, not to mention fewer government regulations. If our kids decide they want a good job in the future, they may need an overseas airplane ticket.