I'm glad this video is finally out. Too much selective reporting and armchair lawyers.

 

I still don't see it. He runs too him like he knew he screwed up.

 

Really sad but I cant say I blame the LEO

 

Based on this video, looks like the leo was correct. Stay in your car/truck/suv. There was no reason to leave it

 

Absurd. Deputy knew he fucked up. I understand the stress involved in drawing and firing a weapon but I cant see how this is justified in the slightest.

 

Pretty sad all the way round. I could never be a cop because I don't think I could have shot that guy. That is one bastard set of rules they are charged with following and it's really hard to be right 100% of the time. Feel bad for them both.

 

One thing I have to say, it is lucky for that deputy that the woman, probably the older gentleman's wife, wasn't armed when she came around from behind that truck. If she was pissed off that her husband just got shot, I don't see anything in the video preventing her from making the stop go from bad to a disaster.

 

Did the driver live?

Serious question here. When the driver started to step out I am assuming the cop got out of his car. Is that protocol? Granted when he 1st swing the cane over it did seem like the motion you would do with a gun but as soon as he put it on the ground it was obvious what it was but it looks like he had shot him by that time. How many shots did the officer fire?

I just don't understand this whole situation with the other officers saying any cop would have felt their life was in danger. Is it crazy to think the cop could have stepped behind his car for cover until he knew what what was in the guys hands?

Just seems like a bad situation all the way around to say the least.

 

Terrible situation. I don't blame the cop for this.

 

Yes the driver lived and has been released from the hospital...Thank God for poor marksmenship, and not having to help pay a wrongful death settlement via my taxes. btw, there's NO law that states you have to remain in your car after being pulled over....unless directed otherwise by the LEO of course.

 

I still call BS and will likely get some flak for this. Cops know the risk they take in the job. And one of those risks is taking the extra time/step to be sure you are pulling the trigger for the right reasons. Sorry, the guy was not acting aggressive. There was no chase. I've seen guys on here ask who keeps a cane in the bed of the truck? Who keeps a gun there? None of us could justify this to the police. The same rules should apply, even though they put themselves in harms way and are more likely to have to use deadly force. The idea that cops don't have to take a bullet so they can go home should never mean that a non aggressive citizen has to take one to ensure the cop gets to go home.

 

Whenever you fire your gun, whether you're LEO or a civilian, you need to be 100% sure.


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Awful situation and I feel for both the officer and the man shot. The question is in that moment would a reasonable person be in fear of death or great bodily injury? My answer to that question would be yes.

 

Tough situation. I really believe the officer feared for his life, though I do wonder how much of that fear came from already being tense or on-edge. As Jason said, this case wouldn't be justified if it was a citizen who took the shots. I'm glad the guy is alive, and I'm glad the officer doesn't have to live with killing a man over the flash of a cane, and while I don't want to condemn him, I will say that I really am not sold on saying that a reasonable person would fear for their life in that situation. I dunno. It turned out about as well as it could, I guess.

Oh, and if they want to pass a law, pass one requiring better lighting on police cars. What the hell is a pamphlet going to do when someone really does have a shotgun and the officer assumes it's a cane? Jackasses...

 

Tough situation to be in. Glad the old man wasn't killed. Easy to say the cop should have waited a second longer to assess the situation, however I remember watching a vid of an officer who was killed by a man with a rifle because he waited too long to act. Long gun trumps handgun so it makes for a tough situation really. Glad the old man is alive but now worried that cop mag hesitate too long when faced with the real bad guy with a gun.

 

Yes he should not have gotten out of the truck, many senior citizens years ago got out of there trunk when pulled over it was acceptable years ago. Watching the video as the senior reaches for his cane and takes it out of the truck the Kane made one quick motion out of the truck and it went right down to the ground without stopping to support him. You can clearly see how they manipulated the video to to freeze the picture just as the Kane was level at about the height of the man's hip. Watching the video the Kane never stopped as it went down to the ground you can even hear the officer yelling at him to put your gun down after the Kane was on the ground and he was leaning on it . I am sorry but I just do not see the justification of that shooting. If he was clearly pointing the Kane at the officer for any length of time then I could see a possible mistake And To be justified. but the Kane never stopped it went from the truck right straight down to the ground in one motion. That Senior officer said he would've done the same thing, so now I guess it is acceptable to do what he did for the same circumstance, seniors if you're getting out of your trunk in Walmart be careful reaching for your Kane you never know who might be driving by and feel threatened. I can just imagine what would happen to a Citizen if you made the same shoot.

 

You can tell by the way the officer acts afterwards that he is one of the good guys. I truly believe he though it was a weapon and common spence is not to wait to be fired at before returning fire.

 

Whenever you fire your gun, whether you're LEO or a civilian, you need to be 100% sure.

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You can be 100% sure right now until the situation changes... It looked like a gun to me for all of 2 seconds and that's plenty of time to get shot. You have to remember when watching this replay that the Deputy had to do it in real time.

 

During the video you hear the 70 yr. old tell the officer "You did what you had to do" when the officer was apologizing to him. But I do think he was a little too quick on the trigger. Though the video isn't real clear (low resolution and small screen size), in real life if he was being attentive, he should have recognized that it probably wasnt a weapon.

 

I still call BS and will likely get some flak for this. Cops know the risk they take in the job. And one of those risks is taking the extra time/step to be sure you are pulling the trigger for the right reasons. Sorry, the guy was not acting aggressive. There was no chase. I've seen guys on here ask who keeps a cane in the bed of the truck? Who keeps a gun there? None of us could justify this to the police. The same rules should apply, even though they put themselves in harms way and are more likely to have to use deadly force. The idea that cops don't have to take a bullet so they can go home should never mean that a non aggressive citizen has to take one to ensure the cop gets to go home.

Exactly!

 

I understand the officer mistaking the cane for a rifle but what I have a problem with is that the officer never told the man to stay in his truck. If you watch the raw video a good 10 seconds elapses from the time the old man opens his door until the first communication comes from the officer. He should have commanded him to stay in the truck if he didn't want him to get out.

If any of us would have made the same mistake we would be sitting in jail right now charged with attempted murder.

 

I still call BS and will likely get some flak for this. Cops know the risk they take in the job. And one of those risks is taking the extra time/step to be sure you are pulling the trigger for the right reasons. Sorry, the guy was not acting aggressive. There was no chase. I've seen guys on here ask who keeps a cane in the bed of the truck? Who keeps a gun there? None of us could justify this to the police. The same rules should apply, even though they put themselves in harms way and are more likely to have to use deadly force. The idea that cops don't have to take a bullet so they can go home should never mean that a non aggressive citizen has to take one to ensure the cop gets to go home.

I agree.

I will never understand why asking that law enforcement be held accountable to the same laws as US citizens seems to be beyond most folks. People just seem to want to allow others to have authority over them.

I also agree that the officer was one of the "good" ones. I know that Leo wishes he hadn't shot that old guy, but he did, and he needs to face the consequences just like any other citizen.

A split second is all it would have taken for the Leo to have recognized there was no threat and not fired.

Unfortunately, he was trained that a split second is all it takes for him to be killed and that everyone he stops most likely is a criminal, so if you want to go home to your family, shoot first.

 

I feel so jaded on this tragedy. On the one hand it was an honest mistake and he certainly seems like one of the good guys but on the other hand he needs to be held to the same standards a civilian would be held to. I'm curious as to what action the old man is going to take now lawsuit wise or if he's just willing to let it go.

On a lighter note at least he probably didn't get a ticket

 

I remember watching a vid of an officer who was killed by a man with a rifle because he waited too long to act.

I believe this to be the video you are referring to...

Not the exact same situation obviously, but an older guy who stopped and got out of his vehicle without a chase. That officer took too long to take control of the situation and it cost him his life.

 

Man, this video reminds me so much of the video where the guy gets pulled over and then quickly pulls out an AK47 and starts going to town on a cop with it. I wonder if the cop in this case saw the same video during training? I bet he did.

Unfortunate mistake here. Glad the old guy isn't dead.

Don't know what I would do in that situation, but I believe the cop deserves a lot of sympathy in this particular case. Made a judgement call in a split second and turned out to be wrong.