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BigWaylon

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This jewel courtesy of USA Today:

MOVIES
It's time to bolster movie theater security
Bryan Alexander and Jayme Deerwester, USA TODAY

Photo: Tony Gutierrez, AP

The deadly movie theater shooting in Lafayette, La., on Thursday night will bring the heated discussion of theater safety back into the national spotlight.

John Russell Houser, 59, opened fire with a .40-caliber handgun in the theater showing the comedy Trainwreck. Houser killed two people and wounded nine others, unloading at least 13 shots, before reloading his handgun and killing himself.


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The calls for increased security echo back to the 2012 mass shooting in a movie theater showing The Dark Knight in Aurora, Colo., which killed 12 and injured 70 others.

Two years later in Florida, a retired police captain fatally shot a fellow moviegoer after a confrontation about the latter's frequent texting.

"Theater security is going to be a hot-button issue for quite some time, especially after (another) major incident on Thursday night," says Jeff Bock, a box office analyst for the tracking service Exhibitor Relations. "That's a good thing. Safety is the number one concern for people at any audience event."


Lafayette Police Department Chief Jim Craft provides an update on Thursday's deadly shooting at the Grand Theater chain operators and their governing body, the National Association of Theater Owners, have declined to comment directly after the most recent shooting.


But Jim Davis, who served as executive director for the Colorado Department of Public Safety and a Homeland Security adviser to Gov. John Hickenlooper at the time of the 2012 Aurora shootings, believes there will have to be permanent security changes.

"There is no question in my mind that there are meetings going on as we speak, talking about improving security and associated liability. I think it will take time to happen," says Davis, who is currently a partner in Public Safety Ventures in Longmont, Colo. "By necessity now - from a liability standpoint, movie theaters are going to have to step up."


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Davis points to the enhanced screening at stadium venues where patrons must walk through metal detectors and have their bags searched before entering.

"(Stadium owners) have decided that people are willing to put up with that level of security to go see a game. The question for the movie theaters (or anyone else) is, where is that line?"


A small memorial has been created outside the Red Arrow, the shop owned by Jillian Johnson, one of the victims of Thursday's movie theater shooting.

The implications are huge for theater chain operators and theater owners with the potential cost security upgrades - with theaters being significantly smaller venues than stadiums with higher turnover. Walk-through metal detectors alone average $3,500 to $7,500 per unit. That's before the full cost of installing or manning them is factored in.

"Magnetometers (metal detectors) are expensive. You have to buy them, you have to install them, you have to train your employees to be able to use them and maintain them," says Davis. "You have to come up with new entry procedures so you don't have huge lines at the front of the theater that turn people off. There's a lot of expense and impact on the enjoyment of the event for folks."

Bock sees the cost alone for this procedure as "exorbitant... I don't think theater owners could shoulder that costs on their own."

In the end, Bock believes much broader, national discussions on issues such as gun safety are needed to truly tackle the issue.

"Some of these (security) solutions are just band-aids for the problem," says Bock. "Collectively, this is all part of a much bigger issue that we as Americans will have to deal with."


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I'll save them all some money. Let one of their minimum-wage flunkies spend an hour scraping the NO WEAPONS signs off the doors. Problem solved for <$10. Look no further than the notebook of the Colorodo shooter to know why he targeted the particular theater he did.


 
I haven't been to a theater in probably a decade, due mostly to having to take a leak in the middle of the un-pausable feature film, plus the fact that my leather Lazy boy is way more comfortable.

Now I have another reason not to go.
 
"But Jim Davis, who served as executive director for the Colorado Department of Public Safety and a Homeland Security adviser to Gov. John Hickenlooper at the time of the 2012 Aurora shootings, believes there will have to be permanent security changes."
"In the end, Bock believes much broader, national discussions on issues such as gun safety are needed to truly tackle the issue."


Horsesh*t.

Jim Davis is an idiot. First of all, the odd, random act of violence does NOT require "permanent security changes", so crying "WE GOTTA GO BIG ON THIS!" is a huge waste of time, money, and effort. The mere example of the retired police captain that went off the deep end, not to mention the Ft. Hood incident, shows that even the people to whom these vaunted "permanent security changes" might be trusted are possible sources of such heinous acts of violence. All that this "permanent security change" would do is place our society in a condition of permanent fear and force them to be compliant to an armed government presence overlooking their every move.

And yes, it would be overlooking the every move of every citizen involved because, practically speaking, they don't know from whom such an attack might come from...so everyone would be treated like a suspect and watched accordingly as a result. Everybody would be a suspect...and being a suspect to the government isn't a nice, or safe, condition to be in.

National discussions on gun safety are NOT needed to truly tackle the issue. Again, this is pure horsesh*t. It's not GUN SAFETY that caused this (or any other) violent criminal act. Gun safety played absolutely no part with this person who deliberately walked into a theatre, pulled his gun out on unsuspecting patrons, and intentionally pulled the trigger multiple times while targeting those patrons. So, Mr. Bock...you, too, are an idiot.

The police aren't going to stop these people from committing these acts. In fact, having an armed, permanent security detail isn't going to stop these people from committing these acts. Why? Well, we already know the police are going to show up after the fact. And, interestingly...so will the armed, permanent security details. Why? Because they can't be everywhere all the time...AND they can't take any action until someone actually starts committing the violent act. On top of that, these events are so few and far between that any given armed, permanent security detail will inevitably become what is known as "complacent". Why? Because endless hours in a cycle of endless months of nothing ever happening does that to people. It is physically impossible to be 100% alert 100% of the time.

If people REALLY want to make a difference on the deckplate level, then the people need to understand that personal safety is a personal responsibility and that hobbling & tying the hands of the common population every time over the issue of gun control (and other reasonable means of using deadly force for defense) does nothing but make it easier to be victimized.

If you start hobbling some of the sheep in the field, guess which ones get eaten by the wolf first? That's right, the ones who can't even defend themselves by running away.

I'm not saying that an armed patron in this theatre would have made a difference. Just imagine, for example, what it would be like for one of us to be in that situation, armed but having to consider shooting back in a crowded theatre amidst all the panic. But at least the armed patron has a very valuable and effective means of administering a counter deterrent that nobody else has. Because the police aren't there. And the armed, permanent security changes are at the other end of the theatre, just looking up from their Facebook pages on their smart phones and wondering how they're going to cautiously and safely get through the stampede to the scene and then figure out what to do.

Mr. Davis and Mr. Bock, you can both go f*ck yourselves over this. We don't need to exchange one statistically exceedingly rare risk of danger for a much greater danger represented by the inherent consequences of your proposed actions.
 
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There's a sick & twisted side of me that wishes one of these crazies would sit behind an unsuspecting victim, wrap one of the cheap plastic grocery bags over their head, and suffocate them. Just to see if we get the same uproar over "bag control". :confused:
 
As usual, with the help of the press, the powers that be are going to go after the people who could help if they their "legal" hands were untied. Legal gun owners will end up being a target here with CCW holders in particular being further restricted. As previously stated, an armed citizen in the theater is the most reasonable answer. Legally speaking; however, law makers need the make sure that the survivor in a legal shoot is protected both in criminal and civil court. The mind set needs to be shifted away from how do we convict the legal gun owner in the event of a shooting. I hate to have to say this, but I would have to hesitate to consider how many attorneys could be hanging on to my bullet in a similar circumstance.
 
I have always brought my own "security". I have never trusted the little stickers on the doors that I conveniently never see. They may be defective as well. Might need to do a national recall of all "Firearms Free Zone" stickers due to a defective run. If it were a seat-belt issue, the government would force the automakers to recall 10 million cars.
 
There's a sick & twisted side of me that wishes one of these crazies would sit behind an unsuspecting victim, wrap one of the cheap plastic grocery bags over their head, and suffocate them. Just to see if we get the same uproar over "bag control". :confused:
How about the guy who decapitated a fellow passenger on a bus in Canada? It's only AFTER gun control that all those employed in gun control advocacy will move on to other inanimate object control, e.g., knives, as they did in the UK.

Ticket prices will skyrocket and the struggling industry will die
Are they struggling? I thought I read something earlier this year about how the new Avengers movie broke some box office records.

That said, yes, implementing any real security would be very expensive and provide theatergoers even more reason to enjoy movies from the comforts of home.
 
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How about the guy who decapitated a fellow passenger on a bus in Canada? It's only AFTER gun control that all those employed in gun control advocacy will move on to other inanimate object control, e.g., knives, as they did in the UK.
Why would you need a knife outside your kitchen? [/sarc]
 
They need a legit CCP person that was involved in the shooting (shootee, not shooter) and lives, and sues for their inability to protect themselves. I dont guess they could do that since it is a privately owned facility.
I would LOVE to see someone win a case or a law that stipulates that the owner of said area is responsible for any harm done in a "gun free zone".
 
Ticket prices will skyrocket and the struggling industry will die
I'm at a loss at your statement: "STRUGGLING INDUSTRY"
Why make pictures in states with out of control Taxes, Unions, etc.
Calif. might be the headquarters/think tank. But, when was a major picture made in Calif., how many? Or for that matter the U.S.

Struggling Industry is making MEGA BUCKS !!!

Sorry...My rant is off Thread

Movie Theaters, one adult, 2 children. Between tickets and concession stand. My family leaves $30 to $50 lighter in the wallet and it seems always goes to the higher end. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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