Beards and sashes too? I'm in.

 

I'll just need a sash!

-R

 

Great idea but I forsee that the folks in 'authority' would not want to give up any they have.

-R

 

Yeah about that.

It's us protecting us and they can join in at any time. That is the issue with most Militia type groups are anti .gov I disagree with that idea.

John

 

I'll keep a bullet in my pocket like Barney.

 

I've been carrying one for luck for a few years now.

 

Do we get specific free training on the SKS with the Tapco folding stock?

 

HHAAHAHA

 

Just kidding, but good luck with that. Think the better approach is try and spread the gospel about folks being their own "first responder" and having a basic kit on hand at all times along with the knowledge and know how to use it. When I say kit I mean an active shooter kit with the basics, rifle, ammo, first aid, radios, flex cuffs, etc along with their EDC.

If enough folks take this approach it will mean more prepared good guys at the ready.

I preach it as much as possible and tell any man I meet that I think it is a duty for any red blooded capable American man should own on fighting rifle, 10 mags and 1k rounds of ammo and know how to use it.

I just think changing and training mindset is much easier than try to get a bunch of folks "organized". Probably be like herding cats...

 

Personal opinion, if things continue to degrade I can see this becoming a very viable option.

 

In my condition, any militia that would have me had better be mechanized.

 

Simple solution for the Booger man, just add twin 50s

 

I'm sure the bad guys will wait for us to meet up at the bar and work out our battle plan.

 

John,

I hear your call and want to answer it. However, what is a middle-aged, fat, disabled man, with bad eye site and shallow pockets, who has little shooting knowledge and no first aid knowledge suppose to do? I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Please don't take me wrong. I am being sincere. I am a mess and do not know where to begin. (I should probably start walking, but that can lead to other problems.) Any advice would be appreciated. Sometimes a new set of eyes can see a solution that has evade existing participants.

I realize I am part of the problem, but I would like to become part of the solution.

 

Badges! We need stinkin' badges.

 

Hell I'll play..Count me in..

 

 

Are you serious? By the time a citizen's militia hears about an active shooting the police have already been notified and are on scene or on their way so there is no advantage in response time. Even if one of the militia is at the scene when it happens the first call is rightfully going to be to law enforcement. I don't see the point in creating a parallel force with no advantages over the current one and the possibility of creating tragic mis-identification incidents.

Milita are more suited to protection against government tyranny IMO. A force that silently waits, watches, and hopefully never has to do anything but trains and is ready if things were to really get out of hand, and is also hopefully backed up by local law enforcement. A militia does not have to be anti-government to be anti-government overreach any more than I am anti-immigration (I am not) when I am anti-illegal immigration.

So that's the way I see it. I want a cool hat though so convince me!

 

As long as we wear glow belts....there shouldn't be an issue...

 

Don't know if you're being tongue in cheek or not.

If you aren't the first issue that would need to be addressed in this state is the legality of a militia. Currently the forming of a civilian militia is illegal.

A possible sidestep of that law would be to call the group something else like a crime watch group or to have no official organization.

The oathkeepers had discussed forming localized fireteams about 2 years ago. Each team would have a medic as well. But nothing ever came of it here and I expect for the same legal reasons already discussed.

Now, assuming the legal hurdles can be jumped, I think a group broken into local fireteams is a great idea. Especially having a medic on each team.

The reason the cops respond in some fashion of timely is that they have guys on call with kits in their trunks. If you decided to be a part of this keeping you kit in your trunk would be your duty.

We could train as a larger group, focussed on fireteam maneuvers. For the out of shape maybe this would be an eye opener.

Thinking that a large and spread out group could come together and react quicker than police is wrong. But a small, 4 man team could react in their small 1-3 mile radius much faster than police.

And even if that is off the table, a small team of 4, that has their kits, could react and defend the area that they're in.

On a larger scale, you could have a ap developed that members could turn on in time of crisis to locate other members and group together. Picture going to the mall, turning on the ap and seeing there is 1 or 3 other members there. An attack breaks out, you all grab your kits, meet up and move.

There is potential with this idea and something I've actually thought about at length. Don't laugh or scoff at the idea on its face. Make no mistake, we are at war. Alex said it best when he said that you may not encounter a terrorist attack in your lifetime because the odds are small. But it's a 100% chance someone will (or words to that effect).

Fortune favors the prepared.

 

The problem I see is simple logistics. We're getting close to 20,000 members here, but we're spread out over two states. Plus as is mentioned, all sorts of various age groups and physical abilities. What, maybe 5% would be interested? Still, that's 1000 guys. Numbers wise, since most are from NC, probably getting close to half of the NC Highway Patrol. Maybe set some marksmanship standards to get in. Not SWAT standards, but higher than what the normal police have to meet. To give it some validity in the eyes of LEO, the public, and the members themselves. CSC shooting standards. I would also include some simple movement requirements, which is typically required in some of the sniper and barricade quals.

It would be tough to get it organized/started. Think you can get McCrory to make it official?? Anybody here training police forces? That would also give it more credibility.

 

The problem I see is simple logistics. We're getting close to 20,000 members here, but we're spread out over two states. Plus as is mentioned, all sorts of various age groups and physical abilities. What, maybe 5% would be interested? Still, that's 1000 guys. Numbers wise, since most are from NC, probably getting close to half of the NC Highway Patrol. Maybe set some marksmanship standards to get in. Not SWAT standards, but higher than what the normal police have to meet. To give it some validity in the eyes of LEO, the public, and the members themselves. CSC shooting standards. I would also include some simple movement requirements, which is typically required in some of the sniper and barricade quals.

It would be tough to get it organized/started. Think you can get McCrory to make it official?? Anybody here training police forces? That would also give it more credibility.

IMO there's a lot more that would need to go into an effective active shooter response force than marksmanship, and not all of it related to fighting. People have to be trained how to recognize what is happening, how to deal with scared sheep, etc. not to mention communication within the team while engaged and a million other things LEOs get trained on. Who thinks that anyone in a position of responsibility (i.e. Gov McCrory) would give such an organization any credibility without comprehensive training and oversight, it would make more sense to just expand the forces already in place.

Don't get me wrong I think it would be great but I also think 20 y.o. naked blond twins showing up at my door would be great, but then there is reality. That's why I say convince me. I've been wrong before.

 

If yall want a militia hat, buy the CSC hat in the BST, duh. And so I can move to another project

 

Can I tuck my pants in my boots!

 

I like the idea, but suspect of the reality.
But hell I'm in for a killer hat and tourniquet.

 

Let me think on this. And I will get back to you all.

 

I'm all for individual preparedness and hanging out as a bunch of like minded people who believe in the rule of law, etc.... but aside from protecting my own turf, I don't think running towards a fluid situation is a good idea, especially as a group.

Now, defending the neighborhood or workplace with some like-minded or trained individuals, I'm down for that. You can never have enough training or strategy for that.

If you think about the pure definition of what a Militia is, well...we don't really need to name it anything or have badges for it, that just gets you associated with a lot of negative things.

 

I'm all for individual preparedness and hanging out as a group, but aside from protecting my own turf, I don't think running towards a fluid situation is a good idea, especially as a group.

Now, defending the neighborhood or workplace with some like-minded or trained individuals, I'm down for that. You can never have enough training or strategy for that.

If you think about the pure definition of what a Militia is, well...we don't really need to name it anything or have badges for it, that just gets you associated with a lot of negative things.

This was kinda my thoughts on the matter. Of course my other thought was a band of brothers, armed, trained, willing and honor honor bound to assist other members in need.

 

You never know what's going to happen where. There may be police close by and there may not be. The more folks that have a gun and some level of shooting ability, the better the odds are that they are in the right place at the right time to help. LEO can't be everywhere at once. Still, as was mentioned, the chances are far greater that LEO is going to respond in numbers a lot faster than you are going to be able to get together even a 3-4 man team. Sure, it's possible. If you live in Fayetteville or Jacksonville or Havelock and are military and you live somewhere with 3-4 of your buddies right there in the neighborhood, then the chances are pretty good that you could respond quickly to an event close to you. But for most of us, that's not the case. We would be lucky to even have 3-4 CSC'ers within a 3-4 mile radius. Much less 3-4 with similar skills/abilities/interests that would want to get together and train. As was said, I think it needs to be more about individuals that have some level of capability with shooting. But I also think there needs to be some way for LEO to recognize those folks as the good guys if LEO shows up on scene after that individual has engaged a bad guy.

If something bad happens and a policeman shows up, most people assume he knows something about what he is doing and that he can shoot. CSC members that meet standards could (over time) get that same recognition. I would focus this more on setting a standard and then having LEO and the public recognize that you are someone that has met that standard. That would be much easier (and I think, more effective) than trying to organize a militia.

Setting standards and getting them recognized I think would be a good first step. There needs to be recognition within LEO and the public that what a CSC certification means is that you have met a standard and know your way around shooting/guns. Don't make it too tough or too expensive to get, or you won't encourage people to get it. But it does need to be a higher standard than what a typical police officer has to meet, as to shooting ability. Then that recognition means more. You can't simply take everyone that wants to join, or you'll just get more of the badge and reflector belt comments. OTOH, ever single member here has something they can contribute to a militia situation. So doing both is a good idea.

Regardless of a militia or CSC, if I were running a training company, I would set up a certification level (or levels). I've never understood why they don't do this. Some may and I just don't know it, but none that seem to be generally recognized. Most people like to get certified. It may require taking a couple of courses, along with meeting standards of shooting ability. Good for the instructor and his company, good for the person getting the training, and a generally recognized certification would be a big motivator for all of us to get more training.

Only way I'd join a militia is if McCrory authorized it. So the work would have to begin on the political front. I would say that with all of the threats of terrorism, this may be a very good time to try to get an approval. I wonder if anyone has ever asked him? Even though I think individual certification would be much easier and more effective, I do think if you could get that official approval, that it would take off. It would be interesting to attend meetings and trainings and gain more knowledge. If it becomes too anti-government or political though, I'd be out. Keep it's mission simple... to help people in emergency situations.

 

I do... 20 yo naked blond twins at his door.

 

The fact of the matter is the police are not required to protect anyone. That's the job of the individual. They are as much or more an investigative/reactionary force than a defensive one. There's no way you're putting any kind of team or whathaveyou together with the support structure required to effectively respond to threats in the appropriate timeframe to be of any use. In an actual situation like CA yesterday the police would just have more targets when they show up IF you could get there 1st(unlikely, police response is actually pretty good for the most part). If you don't get there 1st, you are making dangerous situations MUCH more so. The idea of a "militia" as a civilian police force in this day and age is silly... Watch your own six. Keep you and yours as safe as you feasibly can and keep what kit you can with you as is possible/reasonable. Then carry on... If more folks did that, we'd all be better off. The odds of something happening like this around here is incredibly remote. The odds any number of us in the area could get the information and get together to mount a response in a timely fashion is absurdly slim... astronomically so...

Nice romantic concept though...

 

Still any one of us could find ourselves in a situation like yesterday. Hell, even UNC had a false alarm alert which of course went out 30 minutes after the fact. Having groups that train, share skills, and plan on how to react if they are alone or together when something happens can make a big difference and make those who happen to be on scene at the time more effective than the average CC citizen who puts holes in paper from a stationary position once every few months. It would put you in a much better position than the Sheeple one of lock the door, piss your pants, praying please don't see me, waiting for the cops to show up and herd you out of the building with your hands in the air (they picture from yesterday was very offensive).

 

See your post points out a huge issue with this whole concept...

Imagine this... Call goes out about about guns on or about UNC campus, a number of armed citizens "respond" to said call. No gun was ever there.

How does that play out? I'll tell you how...

The responding citizens become the armed concern for the cops and likely get arrested and charged with gun crimes, if they are lucky and not shot 1st...

 

We could all wear bright baby blue helmets so we're easily identifiable to each other.......