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Young & Able vs Old Gray Balls (Survival Tabs Test)

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#1 ·
frmr0317 and I have decided to run a test on survival tabs. We think they show great promise as a survival supplement and in extreme cases where no food is available, they should be able to sustain us without too much weight loss.

Available here http://dehydrated-food.net/tabs.html

The recommended supplement dosage is 12 tabs per day (240 total calories). In a survival situation, it says to increase or decrease intake to compensate for the abundance or lack of food.

There was a gentleman that claims to have survived on nothing but 18 - 20 of these per day for 7 weeks with only 4 lbs of weight lost. The reason for the small amount of weight lost is supposed to be due to no loss of calories or nutrients to waste. They claim they are 100% absorbed by the body.

The current plan is to start this test on Wednesday February 15th and run for 7 consecutive days. I am 38 and he is 25. We are both in good health with no issues to report. Before we begin we will provide weight and waste size.

Starting at 6 am on Wednesday, we will consume 24 tabs per day (1 every 40 minutes). The only other thing we will be allowed to consume is water and coffee.

We will both make daily entries in this thread to report how we feel, the difficulty of going without eating, hunger levels, any weight loss and of course anything unusual (like the expected stoppage of bowel movements since nothing is wasted).

If there is anything else you would like us to measure as a baseline before starting please let us know. Any questions you have about our condition or reports, please feel free to ask.

One thing to note as well. frmr0317 began P90x last week and plans to continue uninterrupted during this test. I plan on doing nothing unusual in my activity. He will report if he skips workouts due to energy levels etc. I may or may not try to increase my energy output halfway through the experiment based on how I feel. Look for more posts to come.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Let the games begin.

Chad laid it out really well. I'm two weeks into my first 90 day cycle of P90X in over a year (getting married slowed me down a lot) so this is a perfect time to test these out. I plan to cut no workouts whatsoever, I'll still do P90X every morning at 4:30 and run on evenings I don't have other plans. This should be a good control to see if they sustain me or if I'm adversely effected by the intake of nothing but water and the tabs.
 
#6 ·
Waist size change is a decent proxy for bodyfat fat gain/loss for men, at least directionally, but if you have access to calipers, even cheap ones, you could track bodyfat percentage on a weekly basis.

Another interesting thing to test would be strength levels on this diet - pick a few exercises that you are comfortable with (doesn't need to be the same for both of you guys) and test 5RM (could do 1RM instead, but given the higher risk of injury, especially when consuming below maintenance calories, it's not worth it).
 
#9 ·
Waist size change is a decent proxy for bodyfat fat gain/loss for men, at least directionally, but if you have access to calipers, even cheap ones, you could track bodyfat percentage on a weekly basis.

Another interesting thing to test would be strength levels on this diet - pick a few exercises that you are comfortable with (doesn't need to be the same for both of you guys) and test 5RM (could do 1RM instead, but given the higher risk of injury, especially when consuming below maintenance calories, it's not worth it).
Great idea on the exercises. With Elijah doing P90x he should be able to tell quickly if he is anything like me. The last time I did the program I finished around April of last year. You always make gains from the previous week, so if he sees a plateau or loss of reps / weight then he will report that.

As for me, trying to be the exercise "control" for this one (simulating a no food, trying to lay low scenario) I will set a base line of situps in 2 minutes and total pull ups before, at day 3 or 4 and at day 7.

This won't be a test longer than 7 days just for health, safety and sanity. I think this will give us a reasonable assessment of the product and its limitations as an only food source scenario.
 
#11 ·
Great idea on the exercises. With Elijah doing P90x he should be able to tell quickly if he is anything like me. The last time I did the program I finished around April of last year. You always make gains from the previous week, so if he sees a plateau or loss of reps / weight then he will report that.
What I'm getting at is slightly different. With P90x, he can measure a loss of endurance, but I'm talking about strength (not really familiar with p90x, but I assume that program doesn't call for anywhere near 5RM type lifts).

Anyway, if it's only for 7 days, it's probably not long enough to get meaningful results on strength loss.

But still interesting to see how you guys will tolerate getting all your calories from a pill for a week.
 
#12 ·
Keep in mind the recommended amount is 12 a day in a motionless state. Such as trapped in a car or liferaft. I would at least double the amount to 24 a day minimum if your not just going to sit around and watch tv. Otherwise I do believe you will lose muscle mass.
 
#14 ·
Keep in mind the recommended amount is 12 a day in a motionless state. Such as trapped in a car or liferaft. I would at least double the amount to 24 a day minimum if your not just going to sit around and watch tv. Otherwise I do believe you will lose muscle mass.
Read the op. We do plan on consuming 24 a day and while we are taking a small leap of faith we are basing our trial on the results that someone else claimed. Although their's was a 7 week test and ours only 7 days, he claimed that he didn't lose any muscle mass and only lost 4 total lbs over that period.

Although significantly shorter, our test should answer a few important questions.

1. Will our bodies begin to exhibit signs of starvation (these signs should be apparent in 7 days although not acute).
2. Will we notice any other significant changes (ie thirst, lack of thirst, bowel movements, general malaise etc). This will determine if you can just survive off of this item or function somewhat normally.
3. Is this product worth the money? (at $35 for a bottle of 180 pills this is only a supplement on half food rations for one person for 15 days or a total replacement for 1 person for 7.5 days).
 
#18 ·
Read the op. We do plan on consuming 24 a day and while we are taking a small leap of faith we are basing our trial on the results that someone else claimed. Although their's was a 7 week test and ours only 7 days, he claimed that he didn't lose any muscle mass and only lost 4 total lbs over that period.

Although significantly shorter, our test should answer a few important questions.

1. Will our bodies begin to exhibit signs of starvation (these signs should be apparent in 7 days although not acute).
2. Will we notice any other significant changes (ie thirst, lack of thirst, bowel movements, general malaise etc). This will determine if you can just survive off of this item or function somewhat normally.
3. Is this product worth the money? (at $35 for a bottle of 180 pills this is only a supplement on half food rations for one person for 15 days or a total replacement for 1 person for 7.5 days).
My apology. I read it as you 2 together were going to consume 24 total or 12 each per day.
 
#19 ·
For survival I suppose it's ok, but most of the calories are in the form of garbage carbs and fat. Nothing healthy about them beyond vitamin content and I question how high the quality of the vits and mins are for the cost.
Might have to do a beef jerky survival diet trial.
 
#22 ·
One other thing I think would be interesting to test is cognitive reasoning. Anyone have a link to a quick and dirty iq test we could take before, middle and end? I'd like something that is timed and wouldn't take more than 5 to 10 minutes to finish. This way we can see whether or not we lose speed in finishing the test as well as total score.
 
#23 ·
What I'm getting at is slightly different. With P90x, he can measure a loss of endurance, but I'm talking about strength (not really familiar with p90x, but I assume that program doesn't call for anywhere near 5RM type lifts).

Anyway, if it's only for 7 days, it's probably not long enough to get meaningful results on strength loss.

But still interesting to see how you guys will tolerate getting all your calories from a pill for a week.
Give me exactly what you have in mind and we'll try to implement. Be precise if you can as I am not sure what you are talking about. If we are starving our bodies and not functioning properly 3-7 days should see significant strength loss.
 
#26 ·
One other thing I think would be interesting to test is cognitive reasoning. Anyone have a link to a quick and dirty iq test we could take before, middle and end? I'd like something that is timed and wouldn't take more than 5 to 10 minutes to finish. This way we can see whether or not we lose speed in finishing the test as well as total score.
How about 10 minutes of speed-arguing in the minefield every night..??..

Sorry....just can't help myself...